thanks rito
now youll never ever see anyone play neon or yoru again
braindead company and devs
They killed neon
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yeah, still a tac shooter. run speed should be like the default "do not touch this" aspect of the game. the fact neon was ever made to begin with bewilders me from a game balance standpoint
tac shooter is defined by strategic play and low TTK
movement was never under the umbrella of the definition
this argument of "doesn't fit in a tac shooter" is so stupid
valorant is a tac shooter + hero shooter hybrid to begin with, there are no rules set by the genre police you need to follow
bro learn balancing. movement is and should be a non-changing factor in any tactical shooter.
tac shooters are games that can be learned - its why CS works so well
Having an agent that forces players to relearn basic WASD movement and reactions to such movement is absurd and should never be in the game
yes, I forgot that the god of video games said any game borrowing any gameplay element from a tac shooter MUST adhere to exact movement constraints, regulated by, nobody in particular...
game genres are just rough categories for players to understand the general idea of the gameplay, not predefined rules the game developer must abide by
your mentality is so rigid for no reason
valorant never promised that movement would be a 1:1 replica of CS, genuinely there is no basis for your claims at all
"forces players to relearn basic WASD movement and reactions to such movement"
brother the reactions to movement are called aiming, you aren't learning anything new bro
and learning neon movement is an agent skillset to develop, in the same way you should learn raze satchel movement or sentinel setups
valorant has broken the rules of CS style gameplay over and over again, we have teleports, invisibility, and flying characters, but somehow running fast is the thing people like you will cry endlessly about
neon is still killable when she moves btw
easier to kill than a dashing jett, a flying waylay, and a satcheling raze
when you whiff on a neon its easier to blame the agent instead of blaming yourself for being a shit aimer and whiffing on a moving target
sure your reply makes sense but lets be real here how much of sense does it exactly make tha neon can just move at double the speed run around dodge bullets easily and have movement inaccuracy built in it literally just completely changes the gunplay against a neon from a cs game to fucking apex legends for just one character it genuinely just doesnt make any sense
its like playing football but one person is just allowed to grab the ball in their hands at any point of the field and run with it
dude i am studying game design
there are core mechanics of certain game types that kill balancing, and base movement speed is one of those
the only way that a tactical first person shooter's movement is balanced is if it is uniform.
Again, i am speaking about base movement speed - not aerial movement with abilities like Jett or Raze.
Neon breaks the standard gameplay loop of valorant simply by having the ability to move ~1.25? times faster than the base movement speed. regardless of the bunnyhopping speed (which by the way, is not really a "skill to learn", it is literally just loosely timing the jumps to chain together), the base ability to increase movement speed at the click of a button throws off all timings within the game.
Yeah you can "aim at her" and its not particularly difficult, but I still argue that the issue is not an aim-counterability issue but rather a timings issue within the game. She has a constantly available ability to reach locations faster than any other character in the game. Every other agent with an ability that helps reach locations faster has a cost of no longer being able to use that utility during the round.
thats the core issue with neon
you just are convinced that valorant can only be played one way only:
I am sure the game designers at riot were much more qualified that you with regards to game design when they added neon to the game; game designers still can make good or bad gameplay decisions, this is not a solved science at all
neon only breaks the standard gameplay loop in your own narrow minded definition where movement must be a constant unchangeable parameter
valorant already breaks the "standard gameplay loop" over and over with other agents: miks stim, brim stim beacon, and teleports already exist to alter base movement speed and change the movement timings
if you think neon being able to run for such a long period of time throughout the round is a bad thing, fair enough
so lets nerf the fuel instead of nerfing what makes neon fun, so players keep the high skill ceiling movement fantasy of neon while making it effectively unfeasible to constantly get better timings
people use this tac shooter argument like the game has to follow the CS blueprint 1:1
val is its own game, why are we acting like it has some stringent ruleset to follow in order to be a proper tactical fps
nah kill reyna too, unhealthy agent for the game
but at least she doesnt impact comp in any way whatsoever
part of it is a fun thing
sure neon is prolly kinda viable if u REALLLLLY wanna run it
but it feelsso clunky and unfun now
i cant imagine pros wanting to use her
harsh???? your util ability is now the ability to bhop with your knife out, congrats!
literally no brain devs
or the ability to rotate faster than any other agent for free... shes literally so fine and will still get play at the highest level, all the neon mains just want to bhop and thats dead so she wont get picked by her old one tricks anymore
if you stay grounded and stop jumping you're faster than a bhop with your knife out
the only time a bhop with knife out is equivalent is if you're stimmed
i honestly do that all the time thats like one of the easiest shots for me to hit idk why neon slides are just so predictable for me
but i miss the easiest wide swings constantly lmfao
As much as I hate neon and wish she was gone forever I think people are overreacting and she will still be played idk
nah shes just straight up shit now, feels horrible to play and is definitely bad in general
oh they arent done.
just wait for these senti buffs to REALLY seal the deal
yeah neon got fried at this point just revert the changes they made
when they gave her gun slide b hop was the only thing unique about her now it's just blue jett
icl man anyone thinking shes fully dead does not understand the power of being able to rotate faster than anyone else, defense side neons with an op is still incredibly oppressive, her stun is still insta throw, her wall is still insane, her ult still incredible, ppl are just mad cause the only thing they actually liked about the agent was some shit that was dogshit to play against for everyone else
defense side neons with an op
brotha, EVERY AGENT IN THE GAME CAN TAKE OUT THEIR KNIFE AND START JUMPING
her normal sprinting with no jumping is still significantly faster than knife out running
ball knower
the hysterics as if she was slaughtered like chamber or yoru are too much
they have to be the most annoying demographic of valorant players oat
After testing her she isn't that bad, she is still going to be used in the current map pool but she isn't going be as used as frequently (in some maps waylay/jett are going to be the first option), the problem or the issue is going to be when the sentinels buff patch gets in the game, if they overtune some sentinels then Neon is going to die.
Good fuck that trash ass agent , terrible teams have been getting away with doing fuck all and getting insane space from that terrorist
That type of agent wasnt even meant to be on this game bruh, they should just completely rework her
good, fuel agents basically have more abilities than others, and she's bhopping on top on that?
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