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KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
but their twitter scene tho💀💀
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
billion dollar company scared
HLTVtoxic [#3]but their twitter scene tho💀💀
Like the great zombs once said, "do less typing, more playing"
Slatko [#6]But I'm getting cooked for saying that shit regions shouldn't have that many slots, 💀, I hate this website.
Bruh same 💀
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
it is not 3 slots for br, they are giving 1 guaranteed slot to latam and br, and a slot shared between them in masters. In champions the same thing happens, but with two shared slots
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
but BR have only one server, is Sao Paulo1 too.
Why you think BR still not good right now? Simple, because you need to live in Sao Paulo to have a 3-10 ping to play decent, because in Immortal lobby everyone is from South. 3-10 ping too strong against someone 70-90 ping from North.
- Online qualify really fucked some Brazilians teams to show up because 3 ping against 70 is just too much.
FlickMaster [#10]but BR have only one server, is Sao Paulo1 too.
Why you think BR still not good right now? Simple, because you need to live in Sao Paulo to have a 3-10 ping to play decent, because in Immortal lobby everyone is from South. 3-10 ping too strong against someone 70-90 ping from North.
- Online qualify really fucked some Brazilians teams to show up because 3 ping against 70 is just too much.
Yeah except that's why Korea only gets max 2 slots even tho we performed better than BR in every tournament till date
We never lost to a minor region EVER
KoreanOverlord [#11]Yeah except that's why Korea only gets max 2 slots even tho we performed better than BR in every tournament till date
We never lost to a minor region EVER
Korea is a minor region as well, low player count, not big streamers, I never seen some korean playing Valorant with 2k+ views, but in BR or any other region people can get 30k views easily. That's what matter too, probably 2 slots will be MAX for Korea. I'm sure KR will receive one more when they change format to 24 teams, if not, KR+JP will be 2 slots.
sumihiro [#13]This map is totally inaccurate, Brazil itself is almost big as the whole Europe lmao my state is larger than UK
no 2D map could trully show the world's real proportions and dimensions, it is actually a mathematical statement
so there is no such thing as an "accurate" map in this meaning of the word
FlickMaster [#10]but BR have only one server, is Sao Paulo1 too.
Why you think BR still not good right now? Simple, because you need to live in Sao Paulo to have a 3-10 ping to play decent, because in Immortal lobby everyone is from South. 3-10 ping too strong against someone 70-90 ping from North.
- Online qualify really fucked some Brazilians teams to show up because 3 ping against 70 is just too much.
BR has two servers actually, Just correcting.
I understand your frustration but this map is very misleading, greenland for being 2 million sq.km. has only 56k people living on it and apac has india and china in it. these 2 countries combines have a population of 2.5 billion. and you compete with people in an e-sport not with how big the region is geographically.
ValdemieGC [#15]no 2D map could trully show the world's real proportions and dimensions, it is actually a mathematical statement
so there is no such thing as an "accurate" map in this meaning of the word
MG is larger than France in dizer.
FlickMaster [#14]Korea is a minor region as well, low player count, not big streamers, I never seen some korean playing Valorant with 2k+ views, but in BR or any other region people can get 30k views easily. That's what matter too, probably 2 slots will be MAX for Korea. I'm sure KR will receive one more when they change format to 24 teams, if not, KR+JP will be 2 slots.
I dont want more slots for korea, i just dont understand 3 FOR BRAZIL?!
ValdemieGC [#15]no 2D map could trully show the world's real proportions and dimensions, it is actually a mathematical statement
so there is no such thing as an "accurate" map in this meaning of the word
and there's no such thing as "3 slots to half of the world" since we all know, by the end of the day, EMEA is just EU+CIS+TR
youngdagger [#18]I agree that EMEA should have more slots, but the region is not even close to being half of the world's population
You want viewership over competition? Number of top orgs and players in EMEA and NA are higher than any other. People who are good at the game should get the opportunities they deserve.
Mca [#19]MG is larger than France in dizer.
yeah, but what I'm trying to say is that every map is inaccurate in this case
ValdemieGC [#15]no 2D map could trully show the world's real proportions and dimensions, it is actually a mathematical statement
so there is no such thing as an "accurate" map in this meaning of the word
And actually there is a map that can show the true proportions, here is The BR next to Europe:
https://prnt.sc/26k9ylk
Here is BR next to USA:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zea
Here is BR next to China:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zle
Here is Russia next to BR:
https://prnt.sc/26ka0ts
KoreanOverlord [#21]I dont want more slots for korea, i just dont understand 3 FOR BRAZIL?!
It's 1 for BR, 2 for the LCQ that includes the whole LATAM.
So, in the end all you're trying to say is "LATAM sucks since no team other than KRU will qualify in the LCQ so there's 2 free slots to BR" without saying the rest of LATAM is worst than Brazil.
But I get your narrative, it's easier to point fingers and make the "Brazil sucks and shouldn't get slots, Bron71l sucks hahahah" posts, since they will get you the funny imaginary points on the internet.
sumihiro [#22]and there's no such thing as "3 slots to half of the world" since we all know, by the end of the day, EMEA is just EU+CIS+TR
nor really "just" EU+CIS+TR (as if it wasn't enough already), MENA exists as well mate
VirajKnight [#23]You want viewership over competition? Number of top orgs and players in EMEA and NA are higher than any other. People who are good at the game should get the opportunities they deserve.
Not until China appears haha
inkie [#9]it is not 3 slots for br, they are giving 1 guaranteed slot to latam and br, and a slot shared between them in masters. In champions the same thing happens, but with two shared slots
Turkey gets nothing while being as populated as brazil with bigger viewership
Same with Japan, they have over 20 salaried pro teams with huge viewership yet they get crumbs, still way better than turkey tho I feel bad for turkish people
and then u have BR, 3 slots to champions.
sumihiro [#26]It's 1 for BR, 2 for the LCQ that includes the whole LATAM.
So, in the end all you're trying to say is "LATAM sucks since no team other than KRU will qualify in the LCQ so there's 2 free slots to BR" without saying the rest of LATAM is worst than Brazil.
But I get your narrative, it's easier to point fingers and make the "Brazil sucks and shouldn't get slots, Bron71l sucks hahahah" posts, since they will get you the funny imaginary points on the internet.
Bro, if you share those 2 LCQ slots with any other region you wouldn't even send 2 teams to champions
Mca [#25]And actually there is a map that can show the true proportions, here is The BR next to Europe:
https://prnt.sc/26k9ylkHere is BR next to USA:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zeaHere is BR next to China:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zleHere is Russia next to BR:
https://prnt.sc/26ka0ts
Every map you showed here is a rough aproximation, it still isn't an exact map, because, again, by a mathematical statement, "perfect" maps for a 2D surface of a sphere don't exist.
And yes, Brazil is very big, but I don't understand what are you trying to say with that.
I agree that "EMEA is half of the words" is a debatable statement, but it is still massive enough in playerbase to be given only 3 spots
KoreanOverlord [#30]Bro, if you share those 2 LCQ slots with any other region you wouldn't even send 2 teams to champions
It's fair, if BR had passed and won against the major teams he would be with 2 spots until now, Latam only had 1 good team so make it 1 spot.
The 2 spots from LCQ is for making competition between the scenes, if BR gets the slots is merit for BR.
ValdemieGC [#31]Every map you showed here is a rough aproximation, it still isn't an exact map, because, again, by a mathematical statement, "perfect" maps for a 2D surface of a sphere don't exist.
And yes, Brazil is very big, but I don't understand what are you trying to say with that.
I agree that "EMEA is half of the words" is a debatable statement, but it is still massive enough in playerbase to be given only 3 spots
I don't see it as a problem, it makes competition greater and the only ones that goes to masters are the greatest teams.
Probably in BR will happen the same, with VK going or Loud. No matter wich one goes we will be well represented.
Not what heppened in the last masters where the 2° seed kinda sucked.
Mca [#25]And actually there is a map that can show the true proportions, here is The BR next to Europe:
https://prnt.sc/26k9ylkHere is BR next to USA:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zeaHere is BR next to China:
https://prnt.sc/26k9zleHere is Russia next to BR:
https://prnt.sc/26ka0ts
great! now check population density or just population in general, idk what point you're trying to make
KoreanOverlord [#29]Turkey gets nothing while being as populated as brazil with bigger viewership
Same with Japan, they have over 20 salaried pro teams with huge viewership yet they get crumbs, still way better than turkey tho I feel bad for turkish people
and then u have BR, 3 slots to champions.
Yep
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
1 - How do you know we have the smallest server population in the word?
2 - We only have 1 server too
3 - Our viewership has an average 20-30k per stream and we barely had t1 organizations with teams in valorant and now orgs like nip, loud (who brought a huge viewership and new players) and Los grandes (again another freefire organization who were putting 20-40k in their match at closed qualifies).
Mca [#33]I don't see it as a problem, it makes competition greater and the only ones that goes to masters are the greatest teams.
Probably in BR will happen the same, with VK going or Loud. No matter wich one goes we will be well represented.Not what heppened in the last masters where the 2° seed kinda sucked.
I think this post explain very well the thing that I'm trying to say:
https://www.vlr.gg/67254/server-population-compared-to-slots
HaSanity [#38]dont let this distract you from the fact that apac gets 6 slots
APAC population 1.6 mil
BR/LATAM population 0.6 mil
APAC has 3x the playerbase of BR
APAC only has 1.5x the slots of BR, if you go by ratios, if BR gets 3 slots APAC deserves 9 in terms of server population
KoreanOverlord [#30]Bro, if you share those 2 LCQ slots with any other region you wouldn't even send 2 teams to champions
So, again, you're trying to shit on Brazil because you have your own bias, but you're avoinding the fact LATAM is worst than us, so it's easier to say we don't deserve 3 spots than just saying we have those 3 because the rest of the region is bad.
ValdemieGC [#37]I think this post explain very well the thing that I'm trying to say:
https://www.vlr.gg/67254/server-population-compared-to-slots
Even if we doesn't have big population as you guys in servers is just because we are 3rd world countrys, kinda funny asking for population when most of Brazil can't even afford a PC and puts Insane numbers of viewship in every match. Literally an Org that didn't even qualify for the Closed putted 40k+ in viewship. And Loud that played against MIBR putted 200K+ in total of views of the match in twitch.
If BR was a developed country we would probably put even Greater Numbers. But BR get nerfed as a hole for mf and idiots that are always in power.
sumihiro [#41]So, again, you're trying to shit on Brazil because you have your own bias, but you're avoinding the fact LATAM is worst than us, so it's easier to say we don't deserve 3 spots than just saying we have those 3 because the rest of the region is bad.
Brazil shouldn't be a separate region in the first place, it's dumb as fuck. If EU, CIS and TR can be one region so can BR and LATAM, hell Brazil is in LATAM.
Mca [#42]Even if we doesn't have big population as you guys in servers is just because we are 3rd world countrys, kinda funny asking for population when most of Brazil can't even afford a PC and puts Insane numbers of viewship in every match. Literally an Org that didn't even qualify for the Closed putted 40k+ in viewship. And Loud that played against MIBR putted 200K+ in total of views of the match in twitch.
If BR was a developed country we would probably put even Greater Numbers. But BR get nerfed as a hole for mf and idiots that are always in power.
I'm not saying anything against Brazil as a region
All I'm saying is that 2 spots is more than enough to be well represented. I mean, look at it this way: you are getting roughly the same spots (3) as Europe+CIS+TR+Africa+Middle East man
What about North Africa and Middle East "rights" to be represented? What about turkey? What about CIS? What about europe as an independent region?
Saizaku [#43]Brazil shouldn't be a separate region in the first place, it's dumb as fuck. If EU, CIS and TR can be one region so can BR and LATAM, hell Brazil is in LATAM.
For the competitive scene, it could be, but there's a huge discussion over it, since Brazil has better structure and better pay than the rest of the region and other points. We are in LATAM, but we don't speak Spanish and we were colonized by Portugal instead of Spain ;P
LykiaQQ [#45]EMEA's first 6 can beat any region's top tier teams like literally but they are choosing quantity over quality RIOT really messed up in this format i am so happy to join as EMEA region means whole europe against other regions but this is so unfair
It should be 24 teams, with the rest of the 8 slots distributed at least 1 to NA and 3 to EMEA, tbh. AT LEAST.
AladdinINSANE [#36]1 - How do you know we have the smallest server population in the word?
2 - We only have 1 server too
3 - Our viewership has an average 20-30k per stream and we barely had t1 organizations with teams in valorant and now orgs like nip, loud (who brought a huge viewership and new players) and Los grandes (again another freefire organization who were putting 20-40k in their match at closed qualifies).
sumihiro [#41]So, again, you're trying to shit on Brazil because you have your own bias, but you're avoinding the fact LATAM is worst than us, so it's easier to say we don't deserve 3 spots than just saying we have those 3 because the rest of the region is bad.
What is this screwed up logic? Look at the numbers, look at past performance, why are you so afraid to address the truth that Brazil has been performing pretty horrifically in the international stage? The amount of opportunity they are given to play on the international stage is no way justifiable, especially considering there are other regions who have consistently performed better than Brazil and are still getting less international recognition by Riot.
KoreanOverlord [#39]APAC population 1.6 mil
BR/LATAM population 0.6 milAPAC has 3x the playerbase of BR
APAC only has 1.5x the slots of BR, if you go by ratios, if BR gets 3 slots APAC deserves 9 in terms of server population
common KoreanOverload W
KoreanOverlord [#29]Turkey gets nothing while being as populated as brazil with bigger viewership
Same with Japan, they have over 20 salaried pro teams with huge viewership yet they get crumbs, still way better than turkey tho I feel bad for turkish people
and then u have BR, 3 slots to champions.
brasil can has 1 slot or 3 slots. It is not guaranteed, anyway im not happy with the distribution. Southamerica doesnt deserve 4 spots at champs
inkie [#9]it is not 3 slots for br, they are giving 1 guaranteed slot to latam and br, and a slot shared between them in masters. In champions the same thing happens, but with two shared slots
It is 3 slots for BR. Kru are far and away the only real contender in LATAM for now. Just like last time, BR will end up winning the 2 LCQ spots and having 3 uncompetitive teams in Champions who get swept again and never make it past the group stage.
Mca [#32]It's fair, if BR had passed and won against the major teams he would be with 2 spots until now, Latam only had 1 good team so make it 1 spot.
The 2 spots from LCQ is for making competition between the scenes, if BR gets the slots is merit for BR.
Utter bs. BR are practically handed 3 slots on a silver platter. Just like last champions, they fought through blood sweat and tears through such a competitive region to win a bonus 2 lcq slots and just like last time, they will have 3 uncompetitive teams who get knocked out in group stages once again.
KoreanOverlord [#29]Turkey gets nothing while being as populated as brazil with bigger viewership
Same with Japan, they have over 20 salaried pro teams with huge viewership yet they get crumbs, still way better than turkey tho I feel bad for turkish people
and then u have BR, 3 slots to champions.
tell them to play better?
Slatko [#6]But I'm getting cooked for saying that shit regions shouldn't have that many slots, 💀, I hate this website.
you're talking like NA isn't a shit region lol
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
Avg turkish instalock jett who lurks and screams orospu cocuk kanka in low immortal lobbies on Frankfurt 1 can easily move to Brazil and get an lcq slot
KoreanOverlord [#39]APAC population 1.6 mil
BR/LATAM population 0.6 milAPAC has 3x the playerbase of BR
APAC only has 1.5x the slots of BR, if you go by ratios, if BR gets 3 slots APAC deserves 9 in terms of server population
giving slots based on player density makes no sense wtf are u on about, it's not the entire server that's gonna compete
CoffeeAndCannabis [#56]you're talking like NA isn't a shit region lol
NA has viewership atleast, and they can make it out of groups. same cant be said for BR lol
KoreanOverlord [#2]3 slots to BR again is so fucking stupid
they have the smallest server population in the world after Korea, which is has 1 server which is seoul1
they never made it out of groups
their viewership is smaller than SEA, JP, TR, NA
1 full slot to korea is so fucking stupid, they should have max 2 slots divided between korea japan and sea
CoffeeAndCannabis [#56]you're talking like NA isn't a shit region lol
NA is the second best region. frankly none of the regions are shit except japan but NA&EMEA >>> brazil
Satchel_Out [#53]It is 3 slots for BR. Kru are far and away the only real contender in LATAM for now. Just like last time, BR will end up winning the 2 LCQ spots and having 3 uncompetitive teams in Champions who get swept again and never make it past the group stage.
chill dude, its not our problem that riot did this shit distribution
KoreanOverlord [#39]APAC population 1.6 mil
BR/LATAM population 0.6 milAPAC has 3x the playerbase of BR
APAC only has 1.5x the slots of BR, if you go by ratios, if BR gets 3 slots APAC deserves 9 in terms of server population
Yes but they should consider how well regions did too,the completion in EMEA is insane compared to other regions
inkie [#66]chill dude, its not our problem that riot did this shit distribution
well, i'm sure they didn't want to be at the receiving end of death threats either
but ignoring completely insignificant death threats am i right? who cares about that
i'm not saying it's your guys' fault, but the fact that you keep bringing up illogical arguments to justify why you deserve un-proportionally more than other regions who have performed far better, have far more investment, and have proven with far more success at international events. when someone brings up a justified and evidently backed argument why Brazil should not deserve as many slots for simply getting clapped in groups and having slim viewership, you guys flock in hordes to justify why Brazil needs more
sumihiro [#46]For the competitive scene, it could be, but there's a huge discussion over it, since Brazil has better structure and better pay than the rest of the region and other points. We are in LATAM, but we don't speak Spanish and we were colonized by Portugal instead of Spain ;P
lol exactly as EU and CIS(language barrier, payment,etc), but CIS dont have direct invite as LATAM has, even with fact that our team played 2 major grand finals
VirajKnight [#23]You want viewership over competition? Number of top orgs and players in EMEA and NA are higher than any other. People who are good at the game should get the opportunities they deserve.
That's why I agree they should have more slots, I'm just refuting op's claim that EMEA accounts for half of the world
ValdemieGC [#44]I'm not saying anything against Brazil as a region
All I'm saying is that 2 spots is more than enough to be well represented. I mean, look at it this way: you are getting roughly the same spots (3) as Europe+CIS+TR+Africa+Middle East manWhat about North Africa and Middle East "rights" to be represented? What about turkey? What about CIS? What about europe as an independent region?
Literally you answered your own question, Europe has Teams as a Hole.
We don't ask about
"What about Uruguay? What about Chile, what about Argentina, what about Mexico?"
In our region only the top Teams play, If SA were more populated even in that way wouldn't matter because the only ones that classify are the top Teams.
Mca [#77]Literally you answered your own question, Europe has Teams as a Hole.
We don't ask about
"What about Uruguay? What about Chile, what about Argentina, what about Mexico?"In our region only the top Teams play, If SA were more populated even in that way wouldn't matter because the only ones that classify are the top Teams.
What question am I answering?
Europe doesn't have teams as a whole because we are sharing spots with Turkey, CIS, North Africa and Middle East! That's precisely what I'm saying!
Why 4 for BR+LATAM but not 2 for Europe, 2 for CIS, 2 for TR, 2 for North Africa or 2 for Middle East?!
You are defending YOUR spots but not the ones for other regions. All you said to me was something like: in Brazil we have worse infrastructure so we deserve every single one of the spots. Hmmkay man
Satchel_Out [#71]well, i'm sure they didn't want to be at the receiving end of death threats either
but ignoring completely insignificant death threats am i right? who cares about that
i'm not saying it's your guys' fault, but the fact that you keep bringing up illogical arguments to justify why you deserve un-proportionally more than other regions who have performed far better, have far more investment, and have proven with far more success at international events. when someone brings up a justified and evidently backed argument why Brazil should not deserve as many slots for simply getting clapped in groups and having slim viewership, you guys flock in hordes to justify why Brazil needs more
i dont think any smart brazilian thinks we deserve 4 spots lol, if they gave us that its not our fault, you dont have to come here and start telling shit against brazil
inkie [#80]i dont think any smart brazilian thinks we deserve 4 spots lol, if they gave us that its not our fault, you dont have to come here and start telling shit against brazil
"any smart brazilian" from what I have seen is very far and few in between
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