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Leo hot take

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#1
twigster001

I don't think that he would be as impactful today as he was when he was playing

The only reason as to why there isn't a definitive "GOAT Initiator" over Leo is because of how competitive and varied the role has become

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shrike-
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leo also benefited from being on the best team of 2023 in a time period where the competition was not very good

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this is also true

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TheOnion
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2023 had some of the most perfected metas in valorant, with some very good standout teams and the competition wasn’t that shit, EG PRX AND FNC were just too far ahead of others. Leo also still annihilated Pre-FNATIC

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The meta was great, the teams were just ass

#13
TheOnion
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Top teams of 2023 were some of the best of all time, overall competition might’ve been shit but the top dogs that year were not slouches.

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shrike-
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those top teams didn’t show themselves until champs

FNC had a pretty easy road up until they finally got chump checked by LOUD at champs

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Someone was eventually going to chump check them, 2023 Fnatic was probably the most studied team in valorant.

But I do think you’re underestimating the overall competition for the time, sure they might look like shit compared to now but I wouldn’t say there was a particular team I could pick out for being absolutely ass. Aside from KOI

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TM06Nick
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They were so studied that no one until loud figured out how to beat a lotus comp with no flashes

#28
TheOnion
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I don’t see your point. All these years later and they still use the same iteration of that lotus comp. And yet people are still not able to expose their lotus often. (Aside from their 2 most recent games but that’s because neon is broken)

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Dudhi
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nah leo got carried by bonkar pre-fnc trust

#24
AkameMNT
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Wasnt Leo goated in GUILD?

#25
Dudhi
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he was

#31
shrike-
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Unfortunately GLD was nerfed by russ yacine and koldamenta

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glittering_yard
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the streets are saying that LEV blowz already surpassed Leo's legacy

#5
twigster001
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i love blowz but maybe the streets need to reevaluate their takes

#6
Clucker
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The only thing that guy is blowing is me lmao

#7
TheOnion
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Streets are lacking chromosomes

#29
JonahPork
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The streets are spitting

#8
I_LOVE_LESS
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sacy is the goat initiator

#12
twigster001
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if he wasn't the best initiator itw while him & leo was playing why would he be the best initiator ever after him & leo were playing

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I_LOVE_LESS
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i have never seen leo as being above sacy

#17
glittering_yard
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hey sis

wanna trade sentinels?

tex to KRU
Less to MIBR

fair trade imo

#18
twigster001
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saadhak would find a way to turn tex into Less 2.0

#22
glittering_yard
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there are limits to everything

tex was cursed by some evil entity to throw unlosable rounds in the most embarassing ways possible

saadhak would need to become an exorcist

#32
emmanuel374631_
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dont be cringe bro tex single handedly won them like 5 round on breeze

#33
glittering_yard
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I know, but then he get in a spot where he is full HP in a 1v1 clutch against Zellsis(low hp) and somehow still loses, its fucked, i have never seen this amount of bad luck in a player

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twigster001
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saadhak could probably pull it off

#20
I_LOVE_LESS
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how about aspaszin to kru

#21
TheOnion
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Wouldn’t you rather have a good neon ?

#23
I_LOVE_LESS
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aspas is good on neon and even if he wasnt i'd rather see Less and aspas reunion

#26
glittering_yard
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Less was talking so much about aspas on stream today, idk if its foreshadowing

#16
TheOnion
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This is a hard thing to answer as it’s completely hypothetical. But considering the dominance of fade/sova for ini right now I would say he wouldn’t be bad at all. He excelled on those initiators

#30
JonahPork
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We don’t really care about Leo in 2026, personally lost interest in him once trent overtook him statistically

#34
uwukitten
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congrats to trent for the highly esteemed "better baiter than leo" trophy, some real 🐐 shit

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