Obviously not no.1 in my eyes but like where? Top 5? Top 10? Below that?
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Where is valyn in the GOAT controller debate
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very smart mature and likeable player who can also shoot + while igling
idk somewhere around the top 10 maybe
I agree. Valyn is very likeable, smart, and genuine. Probably he's in top 1-4 if we only consider this masters. In the top 10 for sure if it's all time.
i feel like he is higher in the controller debate than he ks in the igl debate tbh
ur comparing Valyn's prime time vs FNS's lowest point u dumbfk.
Who tf compares IGLs off of one match? There is no solid argument for putting Valyn > FNS in an all time IGL ranking. Valyn doesnt even have a fucking trophy
holy this might be the dumbest thing I've read on vlr after the "Ethan is the goat" threads.
valyn outcalled FNS even at valyn’s lowest point and at FNS’s peak back in 2022 bud
The Guard didnt do shit after Stage 1.
FNS reigned NA (and was reigning NA since Masters Berlin 2021) for all of 2022 and until Tokyo 2023 (where he still got a top 4 placement).
posting a game from 2025 to evaluate fns as an igl is quite disingenuous ngl
Wrong (there are more):
https://www.vlr.gg/85524/the-guard-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-ubqf
newgen mf
Ok and don’t ignore the other matchups in 2022 twin. Keep in mind that was valyn’s worst calling (he was a 19 year old rookie) compared to FNS’s peak
the other matches are regional mickey mouse matches. International matches are the only ones that matter.
also this argument is pointless
you and I both know FNS clears Valyn all time as an IGL.
this has got to be rageabit because no way you really with your whole heart believe that FNS, Ange1, Stax, Saadhak AND BOOSTIO are better than Valyn?
? purely igl'ing they're all better than valyn ALL TIME
you're mixing up mechanics with igl'ing
Stax Saadhak are just so untrue i cant even hear anyone out on this
Boostio you can make an arguement for since he did outcall Valyn in a BO5 but cmon, Valyn clears him
the only ones im geniunly willing to agree with is FNS and Ange1, IN THEIR PRIME
if all of these guys we're as good at shooting as valyn you would change your mind even though that has no effect on how good they are as an igl
I really wouldnt, i dont care how good Valyn can shoot when he can Call just as good
what has his calling gotten him? surely he must’ve won a chip if he’s the second greatest igl of all time
well the fact that stax outcalled and came back on him to win bangkok is already proof that he's a better caller
FNS saadhak nats maybe even munchkin or ange1
top 3 currently yeah i agree
probably like 3rd or 4th id say with the likes of s0m mako karon
but karon got cucked to the senti role now
dawg top 10? someone name 9 controllers better than him lmfao.
But eitherways top 3
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