Does anyone genuinely have fun watching a Neon just jump and running around. Is this APEX legends?
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yes ? its called skill expression which not many neon players cant
jonny05 [#11]If its dambi yes
Yea it looks good but literally all strats go out the window with a neon odin/shotgun combo
whitecatvleeee [#16]Dambi is what maximum level of neon looks like
maximum level and its just run and gun
Obsidian_Echo_Alt [#10]yes ? its called skill expression which not many neon players cant
i cant tell if this is rage bait or not but every neon in ranked can do this
nonenone [#18]i cant tell if this is rage bait or not but every neon in ranked can do this
no other neon in t1 has been a fraction as dominant as dambi has
stay coping though
cirruss [#21]no other neon in t1 has been a fraction as dominant as dambi has
stay coping though
Thats a silly argument to make. Miniboo started using Neon to a good standard and show what it can do until kangkang started to abuse Neon and finally won a trophy. If Neon stays unchecked, every team will start having Neon players and perfecting what Dambi is doing and then it would be unbearable to watch
i like this infinitely more than waylay meta bro id rather see cool and unique movement than just dash saturate recall for 13 rounds in a row
Kingpussay [#23]Thats a silly argument to make. Miniboo started using Neon to a good standard and show what it can do until kangkang started to abuse Neon and finally won a trophy. If Neon stays unchecked, every team will start having Neon players and perfecting what Dambi is doing and then it would be unbearable to watch
then how come no other neon is doing what he does? if you watched the game you can clearly see that he gets setup for his plays extremely well and dambi is just winning the fights. if neon was this broken forever then why did teams stop playing her
1One1 [#26]Yes, Neon need skill. Unlike trash Tejo
Since when did I say Tejo meta wasn't ass?
cirruss [#25]then how come no other neon is doing what he does? if you watched the game you can clearly see that he gets setup for his plays extremely well and dambi is just winning the fights. if neon was this broken forever then why did teams stop playing her
Teams stopped playing her?
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one [#29]Teams stopped playing her?
oh yes no senti meta am i right ? lets NOT play neon ; yes that makes perfect sense
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one [#29]Teams stopped playing her?
Last year she was only really played on sunset and occasionally lotus, but that was shortlived
also a couple teams played her on haven
also fracture when it was around (obv), but other than single teams playing comfort picks in 2025, neon is viable on almost if not every map in this split
cirruss [#31]Last year she was only really played on sunset and occasionally lotus, but that was shortlived
also a couple teams played her on haven
also fracture when it was around (obv), but other than single teams playing comfort picks in 2025, neon is viable on almost if not every map in this split
A "couple"
When it was defined as the meta
cirruss [#25]then how come no other neon is doing what he does? if you watched the game you can clearly see that he gets setup for his plays extremely well and dambi is just winning the fights. if neon was this broken forever then why did teams stop playing her
Since when did teams stop playing her? 2024 was the start of the neon meta and Shanghai and Seoul teams was starting to play her. 2025 2 of the teams that won a trophy last year played Neon and Mada was playing into to a higher standard then the year before. Now this year, we have sentinels nerfed and double duelist meta is so prevalent that the Neon becomes too prevalent.
Kingpussay [#33]Since when did teams stop playing her? 2024 was the start of the neon meta and Shanghai and Seoul teams was starting to play her. 2025 2 of the teams that won a trophy last year played Neon and Mada was playing into to a higher standard then the year before. Now this year, we have sentinels nerfed and double duelist meta is so prevalent that the Neon becomes too prevalent.
Neon was not in the meta comps on most maps last year. Sunset, fracture (shortlived), lotus (shortlived), and haven (only some teams) were maps where she saw regular play
I’d rather watch this more than 4 minute rounds only being won because of an Odin wall dink 4 seconds before an exec
cirruss [#34]Neon was not in the meta comps on most maps last year. Sunset, fracture (shortlived), lotus (shortlived), and haven (only some teams) were maps where she saw regular play
I like how you choose to ignore the rest of my statement. Sentinels werent nerfed in 2025 and double duelist werent that common to see other than APAC. Sunset,Fracture,Lotus are notoriously Sentinel heavy maps so you are just proving my point(Cypher,KJ and Vyse)
Kingpussay [#37]I like how you choose to ignore the rest of my statement. Sentinels werent nerfed in 2025 and double duelist werent that common to see other than APAC. Sunset,Fracture,Lotus are notoriously Sentinel heavy maps so you are just proving my point(Cypher,KJ and Vyse)
you just contradicted yourself
if neon is only strong because of weak sentinels, then why was she meta on the maps you listed last year?
cirruss [#39]you just contradicted yourself
if neon is only strong because of weak sentinels, then why was she meta on the maps you listed last year?
How am I contradicting my point? My point is that Neon is too OP now because of those nerfs which was why no teams has made Neon look impossible to kill last year, Like I said earlier Neon is good but not to the point of being OP because these sentinels exists
Kingpussay [#40]How am I contradicting my point? My point is that Neon is too OP now because of those nerfs which was why no teams has made Neon look impossible to kill last year, Like I said earlier Neon is good but not to the point of being OP because these sentinels exists
neon isn't even OP. Their team play is setting him up to make these plays. If it were that cut and dry, every team would be doing this to Nongshim's level. in VCT though nobody has had nearly as much success.
cirruss [#41]neon isn't even OP. Their team play is setting him up to make these plays. If it were that cut and dry, every team would be doing this to Nongshim's level. in VCT though nobody has had nearly as much success.
"nobody has had nearly as much success". Well because every team was picking Sentinels on Maps that Neon are good at? Look at all the teams playing in Santiago and tell me the percentage of teams running Sentinel compared to last year. Teams do not pick it because its purely useless against it and Vyse is the only option which is why you see NRG trying it on split. You are literally echoing the same thing like an NPC without even understanding anything.
Kingpussay [#42]"nobody has had nearly as much success". Well because every team was picking Sentinels on Maps that Neon are good at? Look at all the teams playing in Santiago and tell me the percentage of teams running Sentinel compared to last year. Teams do not pick it because its purely useless against it and Vyse is the only option which is why you see NRG trying it on split. You are literally echoing the same thing like an NPC without even understanding anything.
did you forget sentinels as a class got nerfed after champions? that is more indicative that they need changes before neon
Well because every team was picking Sentinels on Maps that Neon are good at?
buddy I am talking about at kickoff right now. NS is the only team making neon look OP in vct. Dambi dwarfs every other duelist who has even touched neon at santiago right now. the next highest is lar0k who has only performed on waylay and jett this tournament.
Kingpussay [#23]Thats a silly argument to make. Miniboo started using Neon to a good standard and show what it can do until kangkang started to abuse Neon and finally won a trophy. If Neon stays unchecked, every team will start having Neon players and perfecting what Dambi is doing and then it would be unbearable to watch
MiniBoo is nothing compared to Dambi, he has been showing what the best neon player can be ever since SPG.
Atkiin [#17]maximum level and its just run and gun
It is not just run and gun but what would a Sentinels fan ever amount to
cirruss [#43]did you forget sentinels as a class got nerfed after champions? that is more indicative that they need changes before neon
Well because every team was picking Sentinels on Maps that Neon are good at?
buddy I am talking about at kickoff right now. NS is the only team making neon look OP in vct. Dambi dwarfs every other duelist who has even touched neon at santiago right now. the next highest is lar0k who has only performed on waylay and jett this tournament.
Since when did I mention once that Dambi wasn't good? Dambi was the best Neon even last year but did he qualify for any internationals? "Dambi dwarfs every other duelist who has even touched neon at santiago right now" Well no shit he has played Neon in 90% of the maps for years now, I would be surprised if he isn't good
dambi_glazer [#47]It is not just run and gun but what would a Sentinels fan ever amount to
tell me with a straight face this isnt run and gun, classic, judge, ult
Atkiin [#49]tell me with a straight face this isnt run and gun, classic, judge, ult
It's simply the result of the best mechanical neon player being set up by his team, not "just" run and gun, emphasis on the just
Kingpussay [#48]Since when did I mention once that Dambi wasn't good? Dambi was the best Neon even last year but did he qualify for any internationals? "Dambi dwarfs every other duelist who has even touched neon at santiago right now" Well no shit he has played Neon in 90% of the maps for years now, I would be surprised if he isn't good
u are putting words in my mouth if that's what you got from my statement
my point is that Dambi is not an indicator Neon is OP, because if that were the case, then every game would be neon mirrors with sliding judge entries. Like you said, miniboo and kangkang showed what Neon can do, but they have not reached the same success after the nerf, just like everyone else.
your point seems more out of spite for dambi than actually critiquing the agent balance
cirruss [#51]u are putting words in my mouth if that's what you got from my statement
my point is that Dambi is not an indicator Neon is OP, because if that were the case, then every game would be neon mirrors with sliding judge entries. Like you said, miniboo and kangkang showed what Neon can do, but they have not reached the same success after the nerf, just like everyone else.
your point seems more out of spite for dambi than actually critiquing the agent balance
Well clearly seem to have an issue in reading and assuming I'm doing it out of spite. Since when did I say Dambi is an indicator of Neon being OP? Even BIPO who is by far the worst Neon I ever seen is able to guarantee at least 2 kills with the ult and Neon was the most heavily discussed agent among other agents like Waylay and Yoru that needed a nerf even before Santiago so what are you talking about here?
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