VeLooZ [#5]Here's my list:
1) Liquid
2) Acend
3) Gambit
4) Sentinels
5) Envy
6) C9
7) FNATIC
8) KRU
9)VS
10) PRX&X10Why PRX i think PRX Good. But they make some mistake when In LCQ
the 3 NA teams that high might be a reach, coming from an NA fan. Also KRU top 5
chloeburbank [#12]vs should be lower their playstyle hasnt changed since first strike and obv its not working, stop overrating them
I agree, Korean Region is not that good tbh.
thatpower [#15]team secret is overrated
everyone thought they were gonna be shit but they took a map from gambit and 2-0ed vikings. Thats not overrated.
DIAZ_lmfaado [#4]if VK won against acend they wouldve reached semifinals
wait whatttttt?
i though even if they won they wouldnt reach semis
thats crazy thanks for the info
not bad, I would personally have gambit 2 acend 3 since acned didn't look great against vk(7-0 is a reasonable punishment for bug abuse but vk probs would've won in the original scenario even without the cam)
and although gambits been looking not as strong they haven't lost a series yet.
Sen at 5 isnt as outrageous as ppl think it is, I think 5-7 is totally fair considering how strong KRU looked
chloeburbank [#18]everyone thought they were gonna be shit but they took a map from gambit and 2-0ed vikings. Thats not overrated.
what is overrated is you saying team secret > vs. there is a legitimate argument for x10 being better but secret? nah
thatpower [#23]what is overrated is you saying team secret > vs. there is a legitimate argument for x10 being better but secret? nah
dude you even watched the games? team secret looked way more organized than x10 and vision strikers well undoubtedly overrated
battery [#20]SEA teams are soo good ...they dont use illegal cypher cam they dont talk crap about other regions they are humble and they got really good aim .. definitely the best region after EMEA
What's funny is that x10 got caught using the same illegal cypher cam in the qualifiers for Berlin lol.
battery [#24]dude you even watched the games? team secret looked way more organized than x10 and vision strikers well undoubtedly overrated
no way you said team secret is better than x10 XD im done
thatpower [#26]no way you said team secret is better than x10 XD im done
well not about to debate ...if you watched youd knew
VeLooZ [#5]Here's my list:
1) Liquid
2) Acend
3) Gambit
4) Sentinels
5) Envy
6) C9
7) FNATIC
8) KRU
9)VS
10) PRX&X10Why PRX i think PRX Good. But they make some mistake when In LCQ
KRU beats Sentinels and Fnatic. Your logic Sentinels, Fnatic >> KRU
chloeburbank [#14]team secret > vs
alright bro calm down, Secret played insanely good, but look at their group, it was Vikings and Crazy Racoons, Vikings may have been decent but they were not anywhere near being the best BR team at the event, and Crazy Racoons was one of the worst if not the worst team at the event. VS got thrown in the group of death with FNATIC and C9, VS may be overrated, but Secret over VS? Secret is at best the 2nd or 3rd best SEA team, PRX and X10 are equal or better than them
V0sotros [#31]alright bro calm down, Secret played insanely good, but look at their group, it was Vikings and Crazy Racoons, Vikings may have been decent but they were not anywhere near being the best BR team at the event, and Crazy Racoons was one of the worst if not the worst team at the event. VS got thrown in the group of death with FNATIC and C9, VS may be overrated, but Secret over VS? Secret is at best the 2nd or 3rd best SEA team, PRX and X10 are equal or better than them
dude prx lost 3-0 against secret in challengers final....i know what im saying bruv
ABitDeluded [#25]What's funny is that x10 got caught using the same illegal cypher cam in the qualifiers for Berlin lol.
its the goddamn coach's fault
acedeltakokichi [#33]its the goddamn coach's fault
Which makes it funnier. But I guess it was one of the first few cases, and they did get punished so all good.
StockfishZ [#30]envy above ts?? nv looks so lost against x10 and somehow theyre still top 10
No, X10 just good. Give them credit. Envy couldn't even take 1 map off gambit in a bo5 and X10 kept a close game in a bo3
StockfishZ [#30]envy above ts?? nv looks so lost against x10 and somehow theyre still top 10
Even though NV looked lost and had a player with Covid, you still have to acknowledge that the X10 game was incredibly close
NV also put up a better fight against Acend than Team Secret
X10 are also just a really good team
thatpower [#15]team secret is overrated
2 dominant maps against 2 favorites of those matches and overrated? I aren't think that.
Sprouts [#37]Even though NV looked lost and had a player with Covid, you still have to acknowledge that the X10 game was incredibly close
NV also put up a better fight against Acend than Team SecretX10 are also just a really good team
liquid nivera also had covid positive you know...and both nv and secret lost 2-0 ...u cant make a difference out of that
Kiss-Shot [#40]1) Liquid
2) Gambit
3) Acend
4) KRU
5) X10
6) Fnatic
7) C9
8) Sentinels
9) Team Secret
10) Vision Strikers
We're really underestimating SEA huh. TBH X10 > fnc
i agree taking making GMB sweat isnt everyone's task and i like how youve put VS at 10th , they didnt prove enough about their name
Kiss-Shot [#35]TS > VS
If I'd change my list, I'd put X10 > VS, but not Secret
Secret did much better than people's expectations, but they also got by far the easiest path to playoffs (beating VKS and CR)
Kiss-Shot [#40]1) Liquid
2) Gambit
3) Acend
4) KRU
5) X10
6) Fnatic
7) C9
8) Sentinels
9) Team Secret
10) Vision Strikers
We're really underestimating SEA huh. TBH X10 > fnc
c9 > Sentinels
To me and why about some teams.
1) Liquid, bcause they are really solid and they are so constant.
2) KRU, cause they fight like hell and never give up, and they have so much passion about the game
3) Acend, little bit inconsistent, but they have amazing fire power and teamplays.
4) Gambit, idk why u guys put gambit at 2, cause i saw they matches against secret, viking and they just won by a miracle. A lot of nervous and noting creative since Masters. But they are good as hell ofc
5) Fnatic
6) x10
7)C9
8)Vivo Keyd - That trouble against acend, really mess with them, and they should win in my ideia against acend, they played so much better in general.
9)Secret - Great firepower and sinerge.
10) any n/a team.
na1ler [#45]To me and why about some teams.
1) Liquid, bcause they are really solid and they are so constant.
2) KRU, cause they fight like hell and never give up, and they have so much passion about the game
3) Acend, little bit inconsistent, but they have amazing fire power and teamplays.
4) Gambit, idk why u guys put gambit at 2, cause i saw they matches against secret, viking and they just won by a miracle. A lot of nervous and noting creative since Masters. But they are good as hell ofc
5) Fnatic
6) x10
7)C9
8)Vivo Keyd - That trouble against acend, really mess with them, and they should win in my ideia against acend, they played so much better in general.
9)Secret - Great firepower and sinerge.
10) any n/a team.
yea thats also a nice list
number_1_zombs_fan [#3]Vision strikers 8?
Based on the results of their recent matches, they're just not up for it man :(
Sprouts [#42]If I'd change my list, I'd put X10 > VS, but not Secret
Secret did much better than people's expectations, but they also got by far the easiest path to playoffs (beating VKS and CR)
And VS did what now? Getting somewhere even though it's through an easy route is always better than getting nowhere.
na1ler [#45]To me and why about some teams.
1) Liquid, bcause they are really solid and they are so constant.
2) KRU, cause they fight like hell and never give up, and they have so much passion about the game
3) Acend, little bit inconsistent, but they have amazing fire power and teamplays.
4) Gambit, idk why u guys put gambit at 2, cause i saw they matches against secret, viking and they just won by a miracle. A lot of nervous and noting creative since Masters. But they are good as hell ofc
5) Fnatic
6) x10
7)C9
8)Vivo Keyd - That trouble against acend, really mess with them, and they should win in my ideia against acend, they played so much better in general.
9)Secret - Great firepower and sinerge.
10) any n/a team.
I think X10 > fnatic. If it was X10 vs Fnatic I think X10 could've won tbh.
Sprouts [#42]If I'd change my list, I'd put X10 > VS, but not Secret
Secret did much better than people's expectations, but they also got by far the easiest path to playoffs (beating VKS and CR)
VS didnt prove shit . they had a big name and they didnt even give a chance to Lakia , maybe then they wouldve won something.
Kiss-Shot [#48]And VS did what now? Getting somewhere even though it's through an easy route is always better than getting nowhere.
VS have dominated APAC for over a year now, with teams like PRX even saying that they were the best team they ever played
If TS keep this up, then they are 100% better, but the recency bias is insane atm
Sprouts [#51]VS have dominated APAC for over a year now, with teams like PRX even saying that they were the best team they ever played
If TS keep this up, then they are 100% better, but the recency bias is insane atm
bruv VS korean team and TS PRX these are SEA teams ....defaq u sayin
jblancard [#28]he put acend 2 and thats ur concern....
KRU, ACE, Gambit, and Liquid are all still in the running for 2nd place, I've just been most impressed by Liquid and ACE
Like I said, 1-4 are subject to change
Sprouts [#54]KRU, ACE, Gambit, and Liquid are all still in the running for 2nd place, I've just been most impressed by Liquid and ACE
Like I said, 1-4 are subject to change
yea ...i agree ..just like fifa rankings
Sprouts [#56]changed it :(
Don't feel bad lol it's just my opinion, don't feel pressured to change your own opinion because of what others think
Kiss-Shot [#36]No, X10 just good. Give them credit. Envy couldn't even take 1 map off gambit in a bo5 and X10 kept a close game in a bo3
It's unfair to compare a final with a quarterfinal
Kiss-Shot [#49]I think X10 > fnatic. If it was X10 vs Fnatic I think X10 could've won tbh.
yeah, could be
V0sotros [#31]alright bro calm down, Secret played insanely good, but look at their group, it was Vikings and Crazy Racoons, Vikings may have been decent but they were not anywhere near being the best BR team at the event, and Crazy Racoons was one of the worst if not the worst team at the event. VS got thrown in the group of death with FNATIC and C9, VS may be overrated, but Secret over VS? Secret is at best the 2nd or 3rd best SEA team, PRX and X10 are equal or better than them
bro what are you talking about vikings was 1 round away from defeating gambit. and TS 2-0ed them dominantly it wasn't even close
SpaceCow [#61]Here's my list:
1) Liquid
2) Sentinels
3) Gambit
4) KRU
5) Acend
6) Fnatic
7) Cloud9
8) X10
9) Envy
10) 100T
Lmao SEN at 2?
Giannero [#63]Lmao SEN at 2?
I've just seen them choke on split and every player on the team is individually strong.
jblancard [#28]he put acend 2 and thats ur concern....
you are you still mad about that situation they shouldn't have used a exploit then
Grumsy [#50]VS didnt prove shit . they had a big name and they didnt even give a chance to Lakia , maybe then they wouldve won something.
This. You can't just say that VS is better when they didn't even go as far.
Sprouts [#11]Hopefully we get a KRU vs Liquid GF
Won't be the best GF because of the way group stage match went. Gambit vs Liquid will be a hell of a series because Gambit is not in the best form( We know when they are in 100%, what happens) and Liquid is in their prime form and looking for the revenge.
USCK [#68]you are you still mad about that situation they shouldn't have used a exploit then
what? i literally couldnt care less, i just think acNed is not top 2 in the world..
number_1_zombs_fan [#58]Don't feel bad lol it's just my opinion, don't feel pressured to change your own opinion because of what others think
Wise words from number_1_zombs_fan
SpaceCow [#64]I've just seen them choke on split and every player on the team is individually strong.
They underperformed in 2 tournaments, going out in quarters, and group stages, and still you say they underperformed. Bruh accept it, SEN ain't even top 5
jblancard [#73]what? i literally couldnt care less, i just think acNed is not top 2 in the world..
I mean they are still in the tournament so I don't see why you are ruling them out?
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verse [#72]kru is absolutetly not more than top8. two extremely close wins vs better opponents does NOT mean that they are the better team
if they were to play again, fnc and sen would still be the favourites, because they are better.
Pls stop overdosing on copium
Giannero [#75]They underperformed in 2 tournaments, going out in quarters, and group stages, and still you say they underperformed. Bruh accept it, SEN ain't even top 5
"on split"
f4q, envy and kru. Evident enough.
SpaceCow [#78]"on split"
f4q, envy and kru. Evident enough.
Wtf does this even mean? They don't only choke on split, they got out in quarters in masters, and on group stages now. A team that goes out in group stages doesn't belong nowhere near the number 2 spot lmao.
Giannero [#79]Wtf does this even mean? They don't only choke on split, they got out in quarters in masters, and on group stages now. A team that goes out in group stages doesn't belong nowhere near the number 2 spot lmao.
SEN lost on split against f4q, envy and kru. Shows that they are weak on split.
Also, the round difference on split was more than that on other maps.
SpaceCow [#80]SEN lost on split against f4q, envy and kru. Shows that they are weak on split.
Also, the round difference on split was more than that on other maps.
But that's not the only problem of SEN, are they individually good? Yes. Are they exceptionally good? Not really. They only played 3 games but it those 3 games everything wrong with them glt exposed, they probably ain't even the best NA team, let alone 2nd best in the world
Giannero [#81]But that's not the only problem of SEN, are they individually good? Yes. Are they exceptionally good? Not really. They only played 3 games but it those 3 games everything wrong with them glt exposed, they probably ain't even the best NA team, let alone 2nd best in the world
Idk man, you do you. They're still the second best for me.
laozhe [#47]Based on the results of their recent matches, they're just not up for it man :(
they didnt even play bad tho. fnc and c9 games were neck and neck
SpreeAL [#13]I agree, Korean Region is not that good tbh.
they've still had the best results out of a non-emea or na team
SpaceCow [#82]Idk man, you do you. They're still the second best for me.
You can't really have an opinion on this stuff. The results speak for themselves
VirajKnight [#70]Won't be the best GF because of the way group stage match went. Gambit vs Liquid will be a hell of a series because Gambit is not in the best form( We know when they are in 100%, what happens) and Liquid is in their prime form and looking for the revenge.
Idk man I think this time Kru can put up a fight. Plus it would be a better story. Liquid stomped Kru in their first match in Champions and now Kru is looking for revenge. That would be a sight to see.
Lahm [#57]
- Liquid
- Gambit
- KRU
- Acend
- Fnatic
- Sentinels
- X10
- Team Secret
- Envy
- Cloud 9
While I think there's a couple skill gaps here and there this list is so easily interchangeable and that makes me excited for the future of the scene. So many close games and nobody seems to be far above the rest.
This is a great list
Giannero [#85]You can't really have an opinion on this stuff. The results speak for themselves
Smh I'm not allowed to have an opinion now
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