You can talk about how its a good or bad rule, and whether it should continue to be used over some other alternative.
But lets be clear,
it does NOT make PRX's win a fluke, having a well rounded map pool is one of the several factors a trophy winning team should have.
counter-points:
PRX (3rd pac seed from stage 1) couldnt beat GEN.G in Toronto groups. why should FNC (1st emea seed from stage 1) have to beat them to avoid losing to 2 map ban?
EWC is less fraudulent than Toronto because the bo5 grand finals is fair and so the 1st place team is fully deserving (2nd place might not be, but it is worth the sacrifice).
sentinelmain377 [#2]counter-points:
- GEN.G
- FNATIC 4th pick for playoffs draw
PRX (3rd pac seed from stage 1) couldnt beat GEN.G in Toronto groups. why should FNC (1st emea seed from stage 1) have to beat them to avoid losing to 2 map ban?
EWC is less fraudulent than Toronto because the bo5 grand finals is fair and so the 1st place team is fully deserving (2nd place might not be, but it is worth the sacrifice).
Ewc didn't had lower bracket genius and it was more fraudulent bcz of that
sentinelmain377 [#2]counter-points:
- GEN.G
- FNATIC 4th pick for playoffs draw
PRX (3rd pac seed from stage 1) couldnt beat GEN.G in Toronto groups. why should FNC (1st emea seed from stage 1) have to beat them to avoid losing to 2 map ban?
EWC is less fraudulent than Toronto because the bo5 grand finals is fair and so the 1st place team is fully deserving (2nd place might not be, but it is worth the sacrifice).
personally i think the best solution to the playoff pick would be to let the teams choose their pick in order of regional placement at the first masters
so since t1 got first at bangkok, rrq get the first pick for the playoffs draw at toronto
unfortunately that means that fnc still get the last pick and still probably play geng
sentinelmain377 [#2]counter-points:
- GEN.G
- FNATIC 4th pick for playoffs draw
PRX (3rd pac seed from stage 1) couldnt beat GEN.G in Toronto groups. why should FNC (1st emea seed from stage 1) have to beat them to avoid losing to 2 map ban?
EWC is less fraudulent than Toronto because the bo5 grand finals is fair and so the 1st place team is fully deserving (2nd place might not be, but it is worth the sacrifice).
if Toronto played like EWC, FNC can't do that lower bracket run bullshit.
PRX already won after they beat WOL.
LOL
Kkduka [#3]Ewc didn't had lower bracket genius and it was more fraudulent bcz of that
Sometimes you get matched against teams which have a stylistic advantage over you, it's just a part of competition, yeah it was particularly unlucky, but it's the exact same as getting placed in a group of death.
If you can't adapt can you really be called the best team at the tournament?
edit: meant to reply to #2
cameran [#7]Bro we are defending ur team don't counter us
frik u aayan
Obviously I would've liked it way more if FNC won, but to discredit PRX is wrong to me on principle.
I would much rather lose to a team which deserved to win over a team that's 'fluked'.
Aayan [#9]Obviously I would've liked it way more if FNC won, but to discredit PRX is wrong to me on principle.
I would much rather lose to a team which deserved to win over a team that's 'fluked'.
true
Hyxagon [#4]personally i think the best solution to the playoff pick would be to let the teams choose their pick in order of regional placement at the first masters
so since t1 got first at bangkok, rrq get the first pick for the playoffs draw at toronto
unfortunately that means that fnc still get the last pick and still probably play geng
I think a cool way to do it would be to use the new regional power rankings, the stronger overall regions get higher priority for example (admittedly they’re not perfect, but they’re better than random imo)
sentinelmain377 [#2]counter-points:
- GEN.G
- FNATIC 4th pick for playoffs draw
PRX (3rd pac seed from stage 1) couldnt beat GEN.G in Toronto groups. why should FNC (1st emea seed from stage 1) have to beat them to avoid losing to 2 map ban?
EWC is less fraudulent than Toronto because the bo5 grand finals is fair and so the 1st place team is fully deserving (2nd place might not be, but it is worth the sacrifice).
blame g0ng for losing to puppies and gold2 before prx got the chance to rematch them
Aayan [#8]Sometimes you get matched against teams which have a stylistic advantage over you, it's just a part of competition, yeah it was particularly unlucky, but it's the exact same as getting placed in a group of death.
If you can't adapt can you really be called the best team at the tournament?
edit: meant to reply to #2
That's also I'm saying like a team had beaten another team so why do they have to again beat that team if you had already proven you are the best. Without 2 map ban it's highly disadvantage for the unbeatable team bcz lower bracket team also get to play 5 map and gets more experience from that
Galactc [#13]Let's be honest it's not really even an advantage Toronto proves it for me
how?
Galactc [#13]Let's be honest it's not really even an advantage Toronto proves it for me
Bruh the worst example I had ever seen
Langacune [#15]how?
The team that realistically should be worse because of a 2 map ban disadvantage played just fine even on their permaban
Kkduka [#3]Ewc didn't had lower bracket genius and it was more fraudulent bcz of that
it also wasn't on fucking lan 😭
Galactc [#17]The team that realistically should be worse because of a 2 map ban disadvantage played just fine even on their permaban
couldn't that just be because fnc were just better but still it wasn't enough? If fnatic got ascent or haven it was a free win for them
Langacune [#19]couldn't that just be because fnc were just better but still it wasn't enough? If fnatic got ascent or haven it was a free win for them
Nope all the games were really close they would have won it they were the better team the maps did nothing
Galactc [#20]Nope all the games were really close they would have won it they were the better team the maps did nothing
Stupid asf did you saw prx heaven, fnc had easily crushed them on that map
Its the advantage for not losing a single game in playoffs. You r already given a second chance in the lower bracket. Considering that you lost 1 game (2 maps) in the upper bracket, they transfer that 2 map for the upper final winner.
upper map advantage is pure cope
if you're a salaried team and can't play the maps in the pool at a comfortable world class level then you shouldn't be allowed to win an event
Effluxi [#18]it also wasn't on fucking lan 😭
doesnt matter if both teams are playing online. it isnt like one is on lan and one isnt?
stupid point.
sentinelmain377 [#24]doesnt matter if both teams are playing online. it isnt like one is on lan and one isnt?
stupid point.
this argument is more fraudulent than your coach and you know it
"Both teams get delays and instability so clearly it's fine" 😭
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