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Asuna Haters

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#1
c4rrotstix

i genuinely don't understand asuna haters, what in his play do you actually think he is bad at/makes him undeserving of a tier 1 roster spot. if you're going to call him a paycheck stealer at least justify it, because he does so much dirty work but just because his teams haven't performed this yr (made champs and almost made playoffs if no nerves in 22, top 4 in 2024 at shanghai) people call him a paycheck stealer

please explain what specifically is wrong with asuna.

#34
welikefortniteandvalorant
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what can you even do against lord babybay

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SleepingSnorlax
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Bro is dragging down himself every year with BTS deal with ceo to never remove him from the roster and we see how much honeymoon period they have than other top teams

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Frogger0_0
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that is not true
he was great before

#51
hellfire
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when

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Yistyy
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he's not bad, just mid

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MentalSwmr
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Icy is mid, asuna is quite better

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z4kr9
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icy on duelist is mid on others he is trash

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cerefes
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icy is bad, asuna is mid

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KOLLLY
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He is the second best player on 100t but people just love to hate

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1nshh
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he is NOT better than eeiu

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KOLLLY
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Eeiu is quite possibly the biggest baiter in all of franchising and in terms of comms and contribution to the team asuna is much more.valuable

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espeon
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TETHER TETHER TETHER

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Ts so hilarious i vomitted milk

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1nshh
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it's literally initiator's role to bait and clutch out what you on?
Most initiator players play like that

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KOLLLY
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well his clutch rate is 6% this stage so that is a terrible counterpoint

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Eeiu is literally their secondary caller

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MentalSwmr
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Asuna 2nd mid rounds with Eeiu btw

#55
SENfns
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wait till you find out about Leo

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so we're just lying

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z4kr9
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ok but there a lot more players who also do the dirty work for their teams and show better numbers than asuna and have better in game input and help the IGL and if they are of Asuna's age they frag and carry and dont overpeek and throw and in general are more reliable .

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asuna acts like he goes completely nonverbal every time he gets genuinely upset

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SnorlaxEnjoyer
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I wish you would go non-verbal

#21
Frogger0_0
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^^^

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king_bob
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imagine pressing Asuna for a stupid force play and he yells at you back like “UURRRR DUUURRR AHHURRR DUUUR UUUUR DUUUR” I pray for his teammates sometimes how can you work with that

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like ok look I want Asuna out of 100T myself just so the team can get a change of Scenery and I think both Asuna and 100T would mutually benefit from it. But to make him out to be some sort of spastic (clearly you are projecting here) when he actually is somewhat valuable for the midround is genuinely foul. Take your meds I beg!

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then they have to call his parents to calm him down but by then it’s already too late because he just ran out the front door and is running around somewhere downtown with no supervision

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SnorlaxEnjoyer
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You have some weird fantasies dude

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MentalSwmr
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What the are you trying to say I have no idea

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catNmouse
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he’s hated because of his longevity on 100t. if asuna was on any other org he wouldnt be as hated as he is now

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MentalSwmr
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Ding ding correct, this dude actually has a brain

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catNmouse
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asuna is a good player unlike what most people think, 100t as a team is dysfunctional so he or anyone else on his team can’t really play to their potential

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Tax_evader
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I've been saying this. Xeppa has been with C9 for a long time and not receiving the same amount of hate.

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henryebread
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i've seen a decent amount of xeppa hate but this year xeppa is actually playing well against all odds so people are chilling on him

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elayaCL
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this is actually true

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GodAwfulLover
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I am not an Asuna hater. But his tenure on 100T has to come to an end.

He can play 2 roles, movement duelist and flash initiator. With his flash initiator being the better of the two roles. Any flex worth their metal in this league has to be able to play smokes, initiator (which he can do), and one of Viper/Sentinel. Even if we were to point out that maybe Asuna doesn't need to know how to play Viper/Sentinel, the guy can't play smokes. One of the biggest reasons the roles are fucked on this team is the fact that Asuna/Cryo can't just rotate roles from Duelist -> Smokes.

Even if 100T were to get another duelist player, Asuna has no place on this team anymore with Eeiu on the team.

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asugoat

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Oni_APAC
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u6DfWIo00LU

this is what made me hate him, like his teammate was just asking a simple question and called him a "You are so bad at the game bro." he's a kindof a douche

#32
SnorlaxEnjoyer
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wha- him and bang have been friends for ages I'm pretty sure this was friendly banter most people probably saw it in the same matter.

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MentalSwmr
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Bro you developed hate for a player off an out of context clip of him messing with his best friend? What the hell

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KOLLLY
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you have to be 5 years old

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elayaCL
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what a soyboy

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  1. He's one of if not the most inconsistent duelist in VCT with a VERY VERY low floor and a ceiling that's just good.
  2. He a veteran player playing for 5 years one of the most experienced players in VCT and still constantly overheats even more than rookies like sato and spike.
  3. He's simply not a good entry... maybe zikz is just awful and literally just never practices executes with them but he's again been playing for FIVE years its inexcusable why does eeiu have full util on sova and you're stunning random corners just running at people one neon... wait for a dart... a drone he see's and opponent run around a corner and it's like he has literal bloodlust and can't stop himself from chasing IMMEDIATELY. He sees a neon and omen back ct on sunset and his first thought when clearly two people can peak him and you know then have paranoia is to hold in the open with no one there to trade you? AND the bomb isn't even DOWN YET??? Like actually what are you doing. Kess dies to sato A main so you know they are around there or holding it meaning the other players can rotate and you decide to take a timing by just walking out of the smoke B as If there aren't two other people that have a very high chance of being there... and you're playing neon just completely by yourself?
  4. Like several examples I've said and several more than exist would tell you. He tries to play individually and do his thing far too much. Watch SEN vs 100T on Haven and you'll see this like five different time of him on his own doing things that could and DO a times just hand the man advantage over to the other team. He tries to take the game into his own hands when he doesn't even need to and also lacks the mechanical skill to get away with it more often than not anyways.

I could go on and on about this guy. Maybe as a full time flex he wouldn't be as bad. But for what hes shown this year and majority of last year he is borderline a liability with the occasional life game where he manages to actually not have more first deaths than first kills. I'd bet money he has the lowest clutch stats of any duelist maybe even player in VCT barring teams that are just down right bad. Simply because he's never alive long enough to even be put in a clutch position.

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MentalSwmr
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Bro just wrote an essay just to reveal he has never watched 100t play and only can echo the fake opinions only seen on vlr

Thanks

#43
Ahnri
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Totally man... literally has my favorite player in VCT currently on it who I've watched every game of since 2022 but yeah you got it.

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MentalSwmr
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It’s easy to find mistakes when a team is falling apart, it’s clear he’s trying to do mult things at once and carry to team to a round win. Very clearly seen when tenz played on C9, he was trying to do everything at once. Usually just overheated and died

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Ahnri
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I think the fact you just compared Asuna to a player in 2020 is quite telling. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that players and often duelist overheat or lack discipline especially when they feel the need to carry. Oxy did that a lot last year. Udotan did that quite a bit this year on GE. Even with PRX prior to this year at the very least the idea was everyone on the team is aggressive and constantly taking fights or aggressive timings. Asuna does is at random times when its completely disjointed from what the teams doing and just pure spur of the moment impulsivity. And he does it literally every game... and he's not even the best player on his team not like he can't rely on people like cryo or eeiu or even zander what possibly makes you feel you need to do that.

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Two_Percent
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bro he gave specific examples this is the one time someone actually referenced an actual game

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Acethyr
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i fully agree with you with the point that he is very inconsistent on duelist and a low floor. but his ceiling is genuinely really high even on that role because he is mechanically gifted.

he overheats a lot and this issue was rectified by sean when he put asuna on flex, and asuna genuinely looked really good on that role. his utility usage was immaculate and still is to this day.

he is objectively a good entry, he doesnt always get the kill when entrying but his whole role is to go in and die and make space. that's the role they put him on. i don't agree with it because i think it's an awful gameplan. but they send asuna in to die so cryo can trade him. i think this is a massive waste of his talent and he should just be put on flex. yeah, he generally tunnel visions and overheats a lot, but this is an issue he has when he's on duelist. this isn't really a thing when he's on flex.

he plays very individual, but this applies to the rest of his team as well. he simply stands out because he's the tip of the spear. if you actually pay attention to the whole team, they're always split up/ doing their own thing. they have next to no coordination. that's the biggest problem with this team. they don't play together unless its on bind and even there it isn't that great.

bottomline is, he's an extremely talented flex who's put on duelist and is sent in to die. this brings out his negative tendencies and wastes his talent for flex. it's the same thing that happened to tenz in 2023. he was still on duelist often and played like absolute dogshit. then they switched him to his new comfort role, and they won a trophy.

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Ahnri
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We have two different idea of a good entry. A good entry makes space yes. Makes space and just dies? no. For example if your on split as raze say you're going to entry B you nade back site blast pack to pillar to take the initial space then just die to the guy holding site yeah you've made space but you're ahead of your team to where they cannot immediately trade you essentially done nothing. A good entry does make space they take space that space needs to be taken by your team to be effective. Just clearing space and then dying does nothing. Which is often what asuna does he'll see or hear the guy site and activate some code in his head which he can't stop that forces him to ego swing and just die. Where as someone like zekken will often take patience there wait for the team and then wait for a flash or at least double swing. Zekken is someone who 9/10 times will get that kill cool I don't think zekken being a better duelist than asuna is at all surprising I'm not going to focus on that or expect that from asuna every round but he doesn't do the bare minimum of allowing yourself to be traded and constantly overheat. I do not think the role is even to just go in and die you should almost always be getting traded if the opponent just has some really good setup or anti strat to make that more difficult fair enough but rarely is that the case in 100T games. I also disagree with the idea that everyone plays individually zander is almost always with the pack and more often than not eeiu as well in fact against g2 theres a round where they do just do a proper execute as a team they fight for ct with zander's paranoia and asuna slides in its just unfortunate jaw has a good stun that stuns zander and asuna but even then cryo is there for the trade. So they clearly can play this way and look best when they do even if it doesn't work to perfection. In fact asuna's best moments during stage 2 are when Cryo is flashing for him so he can make an aggressive play of off that they did that against LEV on sunset twice and asuna got a 4k and 3k. Cryo often acts as a flash initiator on yoru for asuna so if anything he's more so setting up asuna than playing on his own even if its not dedicated like a kayo or breach would be. But yes I think Flex would suit him far better. He just needs to stay away from duelist.

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Acethyr
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this is the thing that i'm tryna say here. he plays like this because he's on the wrong role and more than that, he's been ASKED to play like this, it really shows. if they didn't want him playing like this, he'd have stopped by now because he'd have his whole team + coaches hounding him for it. he's been asked to be insanely aggressive and sometimes it catches up to him. he has to go in and die. sometimes he really forces the issue.

when i said they don't play together, i didn't mean they're literally all over the map. i meant as in they dont peek together, they don't trade eachother etc. and while yeah you can say this is because asuna is always head of the pack, this also goes both ways. sometimes his teammates are simply playing too far back. my point is, they don't play together. and the blame for that doesn't just fall on asuna.

also, picking out a few rounds to show that they do have coordination doesn't work. they're a t1 team of course they'll have their moments. generally speaking they have next to no coordination. this issue has existed for years. a clear indication of horrible coaching.

being on duelist just brings out all his bad habits and bad tendencies. i want them to maybe drop kess for a good duelist like penny or timotino, then move asuna to flex while moving cryo to sentinel. it's experimental but i believe it has high potential. also 110% drop zikz i dont care if they even play without a coach. he's a terrorist.

(replied to the wrong post mb)

#52
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he is just very undisciplined as a flex/duelist despite the fact he is the most experienced one on the roster. 100t take a lot of chances on him and he often drops the ball when it matters, but no matter his performance it always seem like he’s the golden child and will never be dropped from the roster even if he plays like shit

his frantic playstyle and overall performance hinders his team in big moments, and while he does his job as a dive duelist well, he doesn’t do it consistently enough to merit him being franchised for 5 years, which is why i understand 100t fans’ frustrations when he continues to be given chances over up and coming talent

#53
flames-leleo
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I hate the way he plays even tho it's efficient in his own way but in the other hand I genuinely like the guy outgame

#54
sh1lll
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i really want this roster to have ONE season without zikz and a good HC and preferably a performance coach and see how everyone realizes how good these guys could be but are on a choke hold because of one of the worst coaches i’ve ever seen

to further this if you have an actual sentinel player OR kess learns the role really well it would just be the icing on the cake

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