WHY FALCONS DONT HAVE A VCT TEAM?

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JinxCapricorn

im sure they have money and there are good players with no offers...they literally won ewc twice

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they used to have 1
they had a rlly good MENA roster
but they disbanded :(
Twisted Minds last saudi hope

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Falcons is a bottom feeder in most esports. Its just they have so many teams and have thrown the bag at so many people they won the championship. I truly believe Liquid deserves to win the championship

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Falcons have the strongest GC team in asia.

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Pretty ironic ngl

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CasperLuna

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I saw in another thread it's because they have to disclose the owner of the org if they want to get into partnership and they are reluctant about it

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it's common knowledge that Musaed "Msdossary" AlDawsari is the CEO and Founder of Team Falcons. However just look at what I said to make sense of the issue

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Oh so it's a bit more complicated than that. I can only assume Riot will eventually budge since Saudi is the only government that's directly and heavily investing in Esports, maybe Mongolia too but they're only spending money on mongolz

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It is indeed quite complicated but Team Falcons are still in esports with Team Falcons Vega and their old T2 team made top 4 in ascension 24' so they have showed a willingness to be in esport. I think on Riots end I think it's a matter of Riot trying to work out what teams they want in the League

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That team that got top 4 was purely a fluke and benefited from one of the biggest disgraces I’ve seen in valorant

Every thing that could go their way did, i wouldnt say they were top 4 but bottom 4 instead

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Aminbg02

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I THINK i read somewhere that its that riot doesnt allow t1 teams to be owned or partially owned by goverments or smthng along those lines
prob wrong

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SnorlaxEnjoyer

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NRG get heavy sponsorship from the US Army I don't see them getting reprimanded for it.

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do you know what owned means?

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MsDossary gets that same kinda treatment from the SPIF as NRG do from US Army National Guard. MsDossary is the sole owner and founder of Team Falcons

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Jayde

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Falcons is directly owned by the saudi gouverment (well their investment fund) which isnt allowed in t1

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theiceman

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no falcons gets supported by the pif but the founder and owner is msdossary it's not directly owned by any government

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Jayde

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Its founded by the saudi gouverment which isnt allowed apparently :)

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it's founded and owned by MsDossary who is a well known FIFA player. Their main partner is the Saudi Telecom Company (STC) and they receive money in form of a sponsorship from STC and PIF in the same manner that NRG receives money from the National Guard. It's completely overboard, there should be no realistic issue here.

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Falcons realised after winning MENA with a decent team that they would never get into Tier 1 (dropped team as well) as they got blocked by RIOT from buying a spot at LEC due to not being able to vet the financials as the SPIF (Saudi Public Investment Fund) is a government entity. However riots recent acceptance of EWC (also backed by SPIF) leads me to believe there is some hope with the possible acceptance of Falcons post 2027.

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JinxCapricorn

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i wish to see them in VCT...i hope they add t1 middle east 4 regions arent enough imo

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RzqoFoxie

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Thank god
Would be a massive step down for VCT

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SnorlaxEnjoyer

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Fuck dym?!?!?!? But we should be happy seeing KOI, M8s and Apeks shit the bed for funsies

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Congo1

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M8s and Koi have more fans than Falcons after spending 10 billion dollars.

Apeks i can see the point

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grisx23

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"fans" = stuck up nationalist who have to support their home teams

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Galactc

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no ball knowledge 💔

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grisx23

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thanks for proving my point, Mr Spainard with Berca flair

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theiceman

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m8 and koi don't have more fans than falcons lol
all of mena and asia are behind falcons and they get support from everywhere
it's just the haters are loud that's all

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Congo1

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viewership numbers dont lie my guy. this can be fact checked...

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whats wrong with people from EMEA/APAC supporting their home team mr 100T fan?

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SnorlaxEnjoyer

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I just feel bad for them considering the pain they go through

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dimmed

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do M8 and Koi really have more fans? like I know falcons have a TON of haters but isn't their fanbase still huge amongst saudis

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theiceman

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dude you are delusional or ignorant if you think koi or m8 are close to falcons in popularity (look up their youtube channel for example ) they are massive in the arab world

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dimmed

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yea I am not at all familiar with M8 and KOI outside of Valorant but I think the idea of any esports org outside T1 and some Chinese orgs having more fans than Falcons is insane

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Galactc

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They had a mena roster that made ascention but something happened and the org left them though tbh I don't think they deserve a franchising spot because I know for sure they'll immediately get rid of any MENA players they have and as the only org if that region that sucks

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bro... they may bring in players from other regions, but MENA doesn't "suck" as a region and there are some absolute stars in the Region. I mean Avez is quite literally a testament to this. Also look at #6 the team being dropped was due to them at the time seeing to hope in getting to Tier 1 due to issues on Riots end and not theirs. 4th in VCT EMEA Ascension '24 is a testament to the fact that the region doesn't entirely suck.

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Galactc

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I never thought mena suck they're heavily underrated but falcons as an org to me buys the best talent that is already available and isn't the most focused on developing it (probably exceptions to this I don't watch every esport falcons is in) and we don't have many established MENA players in tier 1 (mostly because of no org) so I feel like since they know they have the money to spend if a mena team is unsuccessful changes will be brought quicker than they should be and I don't think whoever they have to scout will also be too focused on the region either

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Riot denied Falcons to have a team in T2 even their mena roster was forced to remove out of challengers league
Somehow they got approved for GC and now they have one of the best roster that can win a trophy

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not how it went down man just look at #6 for clarity, they willingly dropped the roster because they saw no path to Tier 1 with riot blocking them on a few occasions in League (namely)

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SleepingSnorlax

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I have read it before from Aayan he had mentioned how they got denied what is there in #6

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SnorlaxEnjoyer

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same thing pretty much but they were not denied from having a T2 team, they were not forced to drop the team either. Also you don't need approval for GC they just signed the roster lol

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MrAbsol

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yea they won ewc twice cause they have infinite money, but no one likes their org. Take CS2 for example. Bought the best players, and millions of dollars later they have nothing to show for it

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ATBSniper

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Its like hating F1. They have enough money to buy best cars n drivers 😡

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SnorlaxEnjoyer

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brother what every org in the esports space has haters. They have a lot more fans then they do haters though. Also if you had more money would you not use it to try make the best team possible.

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MrAbsol

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nah im js sayin, if so many people are clowning you and the only way to 'fix' your teams is by throwing money than actual synergy, whats the point

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im pretty sure they qual to 2024 ascension but didnt go???

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Aayan

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ill just copy and paste what i said in a similar thread

It's very unlikely

https://esportsadvocate.net/2024/08/team-falcons-release-vct-emea-ascension-roster/

In the course of our research, TEA has learned that Riot does in fact have a global esports ecosystem-wide (Valorant, Leagues of Legends, TFT, etc.) rule in place that requires the disclosure of ownership, and also bars teams with direct ties to governments or government-controlled entities from participating in its Tier-1 leagues.