Why are people complaining about getting to watch the best teams in the world in a prestigious lan tournament like so what if its mickey mouse its still going to be entertaining as shit.
Its like people don’t wamt there to be off season tournaments and wait half a year after every vct season before they get to watch their favourite team again
They arent complaining because its "mickey mouse". Theyre complaining because they know whats happening in Saudi
bro turn off the names it feels like im watching a random content creator tourney in 2021
Big_Potato [#3]They arent complaining because its "mickey mouse". Theyre complaining because they know whats happening in Saudi
Riot games is owned by Tencent which gets funded by the Chinese government and has chinese government members in leadership positions so with that logic we shouldn’t play any Riot game I guess
teilwal [#4]bro turn off the names it feels like im watching a random content creator tourney in 2021
i understand people having moral qualms about the ewc, but this is just blatantly wrong
LouBag [#6]kids enjoy being white knights
White knight because I said summin about whats ACTUALLY happening lmao
Big_Potato [#3]They arent complaining because its "mickey mouse". Theyre complaining because they know whats happening in Saudi
That's hypocrite, did they even sympathize towards similar stuff outside valorant related when the US actually takes the blame? of course they don't
USCK [#5]Riot games is owned by Tencent which gets funded by the Chinese government and has chinese government members in leadership positions so with that logic we shouldn’t play any Riot game I guess
i feel like this is being disingenuous
tencent IS state sponsored media, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that riot games is, just because they are a subsidiary of tencent, and regardless, the chinese government isn't using valorant as a way to cover up their human rights abuses on the world stage in the same way MBS and the Saudi Government is
this is a bad faith argument and a blatant example of whataboutism
1One1 [#10]That's hypocrite, did they even sympathize towards similar stuff outside valorant related when the US actually takes the blame? of course they don't
I understand what youre saying dawg, im pointing out why people are against ewc. #5 and #6 clearly missed the point 🤦♂️
Big_Potato [#8]White knight because I said summin about whats ACTUALLY happening lmao
wut?
I just said kids are more likely to be idealists.
when you get older you realize everyone is a piece of shit.
it's not prestigious though lol, let people complain, let people watch, let people not watch.
LouBag [#14]wut?
I just said kids are more likely to be idealists.
when you get older you realize everyone is a piece of shit.
Agreed tho, most of the major companies are likely affiliated with the govt of their countries. We cant do anything about it though plus its too political to talk about it
shesh_ [#11]i feel like this is being disingenuous
tencent IS state sponsored media, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that riot games is, just because they are a subsidiary of tencent, and regardless, the chinese government isn't using valorant as a way to cover up their human rights abuses on the world stage in the same way MBS and the Saudi Government is
this is a bad faith argument and a blatant example of whataboutism
Nrg are sponsored by USA air force, Mr white knight
LouBag [#6]kids enjoy being white knights
saudi this saudi that like sybau, somone get that 600 billion from saudi money nobody said anything lol
I guess if it benefits you, the West doesn't say anything
firo [#15]it's not prestigious though lol, let people complain, let people watch, let people not watch.
And those who complain influence other with forceful tones to not watch
SleepyBear [#18]saudi this saudi that like sybau, somone get that 600 billion from saudi money nobody said anything lol
I guess if it benefits you, the West doesn't say anything
Thats how politics works tho. Selective outrage is what makes people blind. Some people see through it and call the govt out for it, while others dont really care
shesh_ [#7]i understand people having moral qualms about the ewc, but this is just blatantly wrong
bro, no aura qualifier, no replays, t4 casters coming outta retirement
Itsover [#17]Nrg are sponsored by USA air force, Mr white knight
more whataboutism
i think nrg being sponsored by the *army national guard is bad, i have no idea what makes you think i'd make a moral exception for this just because I root for their esports teams
2 bad things can co-exist, realistically, way more than 2 bad things co-exist, i'm still watching the ewc games, but I also think it's always better to be aware of the greater context behind controversy, and when someone is just saying stupid shit for the sake of saying stupid shit, i'm going to call it out
shesh_ [#11]i feel like this is being disingenuous
tencent IS state sponsored media, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that riot games is, just because they are a subsidiary of tencent, and regardless, the chinese government isn't using valorant as a way to cover up their human rights abuses on the world stage in the same way MBS and the Saudi Government is
this is a bad faith argument and a blatant example of whataboutism
The chinese government has something called a golden share in Tencent which means they are directly involved in Tencent’s business decisions which literally means they could pressure riot into meeting whatever demands they have if they really wanted to so it does directly link riot with the chinese government
And also the country you live in is also doing the exact same as Saudi as all the major athletic events will be held in America in the upcoming years
teilwal [#22]bro, no aura qualifier, no replays, t4 casters coming outta retirement
i like the casters :(
TM06Nick [#26]prestigious and mickey mouse in the same sentence. pick one buddy
Its prestigious in the sense that it is a S tier tournament with top tier competition I mean BBL’s owner was literally saying this himself
USCK [#24]The chinese government has something called a golden share in Tencent which means they are directly involved in Tencent’s business decisions which literally means they could pressure riot into meeting whatever demands they have if they really wanted to so it does directly link riot with the chinese government
And also the country you live in is also doing the exact same as Saudi as all the major athletic events will be held in America in the upcoming years
thank you for including the part at the start about a golden share, i didn't know that, it's very interesting to learn, and i agree that it could manifest in the manner that you imply in your first reply
the second part is just more whataboutism, i agree that the us does bad things, and in my personal life i do my best to spread awareness in my social circle to those who actually care, despite that, i'm not doing anything to stop the government's actions, and i'm not even boycotting the ewc, i just believe that it's better to always be aware of the context behind controversy, and that is the sentiment that i choose to reflect
Tempest24 [#29]They are buns
already heads and shoulders above the likes of mimi and rivington
if they cut out all the moaning and throw in a little bit more analysis i think they'd go up to vansilli/babybay tier
shesh_ [#28]thank you for including the part at the start about a golden share, i didn't know that, it's very interesting to learn, and i agree that it could manifest in the manner that you imply in your first reply
the second part is just more whataboutism, i agree that the us does bad things, and in my personal life i do my best to spread awareness in my social circle to those who actually care, despite that, i'm not doing anything to stop the government's actions, and i'm not even boycotting the ewc, i just believe that it's better to always be aware of the context behind controversy, and that is the sentiment that i choose to reflect
Its fine to have a opinion but when people are trying to boycott a tournament because of a situation like this they are being kind of hypocritical
I fully respect your opinion but I just think going down that whole rabbit hole is very complicated so I am supporting the existence of a tournament like this as it benefits the pro scene and I think there should be even more off season tournaments for both t1 and t2
shesh_ [#23]more whataboutism
i think nrg being sponsored by the *army national guard is bad, i have no idea what makes you think i'd make a moral exception for this just because I root for their esports teams
2 bad things can co-exist, realistically, way more than 2 bad things co-exist, i'm still watching the ewc games, but I also think it's always better to be aware of the greater context behind controversy, and when someone is just saying stupid shit for the sake of saying stupid shit, i'm going to call it out
Why don't you boycott nrg then?
shesh_ [#30]already heads and shoulders above the likes of mimi and rivington
if they cut out all the moaning and throw in a little bit more analysis i think they'd go up to vansilli/babybay tier
nah no mf is allowed to speak ill of king babybay
Sikul [#32]Why don't you boycott nrg then?
i'm still watching the ewc games
if i'm not "boycotting" ewc why the fuck would i boycott nrg, i'm not vain enough to pretend that my presence/lack thereof will make a tangible difference, i'm just speaking my mind
1One1 [#19]And those who complain influence other with forceful tones to not watch
in the end it's a person's own decision to watch or not watch.
USCK [#27]Its prestigious in the sense that it is a S tier tournament with top tier competition I mean BBL’s owner was literally saying this himself
it is an s tier tournament in name just because of the participants and the prize money but 0 prestige if you win, compared to a masters/champions winner.
firo [#36]it is an s tier tournament in name just because of the participants and the prize money but 0 prestige if you win, compared to a masters/champions winner.
no ones gonna look back at the history of NRG and say "oh they won SOOP and EWC"
They're gonna say they lost to BLG at Champs
TM06Nick [#37]no ones gonna look back at the history of NRG and say "oh they won SOOP and EWC"
They're gonna say they lost to BLG at Champs
fuck you
MaiL09 [#39]I watch the EWC and I fully support them, I dont care about these woke drama
L ragebait
USCK [#5]Riot games is owned by Tencent which gets funded by the Chinese government and has chinese government members in leadership positions so with that logic we shouldn’t play any Riot game I guess
Who fking told you that Tencent has a Chinese government executive
100thievesasunasfan1 [#40]L ragebait
You made an account just to reply so clearly the rage bait worked
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