Response to the Flor baiting thread

This is a response post to pistolroundVyseUlt's post on flor being a baiter, probalby the worst post ive come across on this site so far it pushed me to make this clg essay of a post (and no im not typing out his full name, hes PRVU)

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og post : https://www.vlr.gg/487816/flor-is-a-bigger-baiter-than-aspas

RND 1 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxADXtX0KVrLuj3j1WsVwp0IDn-orxxyKF?si=Z4OVkv9xhn__8Isq ; id like to point out how flor is taking contact the whole time, from the moment batu broke the drone, flor has eiter been 1st contact or right behind the 1st contact, AS for the PRVU's point, flor isnt even in postion to take the 1st contact when the call to hit site tru tree comes in, in fact she's literally knife out sprinting to take the fight, governor defineitly trolled by peaking so far ahead when there was no on ready to even trade, even tho the idea to send governor here 1st is fine considering his hp, but governor threw with his peak timing here

RND 2 - https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3q1L-zu48mVbU6jMa4yKwrT3pr2QF7cB?si=JRFXmEGIi9p0AN8j ; flor is farming the orb here, and so molsi decides to take 1st contact instead, as for why flor didnt use clone, its a classic only eco with full uti; buy, the reason most players opt for a buy like this over the sheriff buy of yrs past is cause if u die with ur util, u carry it into the util next rnd(which ur sheriff does not) and dont need to spend money on it, and can still have the money to buy a rilfe next rnd, however if u get 2-3 picks lets say, then ur util can have impact and ur chances of winning go up expoentially, especially when compared to a sheriff as u will probably have picked up a wepon from the ground, however ur not throwing util into a rnd when the chances are minimal, as is the case in this situation, i would flame any player who uses a clone there if there isnt a set eco strat (which isnt the case here the case here); (cant believe i have to explain basic val economics concepts like this but here we are), as for the exec itself, (bereathes irl) THERES A BREACH AFTERSHOCK AND TEJO ROCKETS (OH AND A VYSE FLASH WENT OF AS THEY WERE ENTERING ON TOP) RIGHT AFTER, IN THE WAY OF FLOR AND THE REST OF APEKS HERE TF U WANT FLOR OR APEKS TO DO, DIE IN ??????

RND 3 - https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1ZFXxYUHifLEW6R73Ic5k44PvchoRBIX?si=yA5_vmaBkCKKNw6A ; I will give PRVU his flowers* here, with the asterisk being that flor entrying and taking 1st contact is the strat(we'll get to that one), flor seems to be a little behind the rest of the team here and i for sure would not likr to see my 2 heavy util initiators take that duel before flor, but again we'll get to that (on a personal note, panpoc's reaction to flor's wiff later on in the rnd and apeks winning the fight anyway, with GX throwing a tejo ult in there btw, rly cracked me up lol)

RND 4 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxTmzRLdrDeEzXIxCcqJlVshmJ4l5p1NtA?si=bat2jkU19Baq87sI , this one is disingenous as hell from PRVU , apeks have a read that GX are running a trap play on the c orb, spoiler alert they are right, they even send flor in to bait out the trap play(in retrosepct flor should have tried to actually farm the orb a little longer but its not a deal breaker), GX dont fall for it however, apeks still feel sus abt it however and when governor actually goes to farm the orb, they're still set up to deal with/ minimse any losses from said trap play, oh and flor doesnt get one easy kill, she hits a nasty flick right afterwards, ties down GX to C side, gives apeks the space to go c, and then gets the kill on ara trying to sneak up into tree, there is no way apeks win this rnd without flor

RND 5 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxHkWqXK0enGSwFIKxGGmtomQ0-uOw8l48?si=EZ6rbNIg7pxLifm1 ; im not really sure whats going on here, for one, flor seems to have gotten blocked by her clone somehow, my guess is she had to dodge the flash after it took damage, still an example of a bait so ill give this one* to PRVU, theres the aseterisk again we'll get to that one later; oh btw the kill from molsi on westside, yeah flor was 1st contact on that one, go figure

RND 6 - https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxy5ldcKdDY7qgajqIlaYxLciIDgMnJUJv?si=VoTqUAXFW5AzXiow ; the moment i saw the screenshot for this one i went "oh boy not this again, theres probalby some type of util keeping the rest of the team out" , remember the breach aftershock from rnd 2?, yeah add a neon stun on top, flor was on the entry with avova tping to boxes, but she gets caught by a neon stun with the aftershock right on top of her, i dont rly think she had much of a choice, and yes she was 1st contact on the exec, oh and apeks did put a breach ult with viper molly back site in there, which is why avova was tping in the 1st place

RND 7 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxYeYmYQAXmEs8xlud5Y7zuGmO7WWv2XYj?si=DOKg9J0117DHySVn ; DO I need to explain?

RND 8 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKaM1cXWZ7Fkm3ghSDyygHwBLwvn36AVx?si=aOUqt1ZIQ94qWCko ; The wiff while understandable is still a wiff, she's been brought in to hit shots like that so ill give this one to PRVU(not that a mechanical error should be looked at this seriously, but whatever), as for the ult, apeks needed to clear a main, governor's drone has been used and GX are on an eco with flor at 14 hp, the ult makes sense, the ult cancle also makes sense if u ask me, they know that the vyse is the c side player and apeks have had batu lurking around quite a bit, so westside is going to be delayed, at that point better to get out of ult and regroup with avova then risk going in too far with the ult and give westside the 1v1

RND 9 - https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx09_abdhaXWiMoqNqjEKEMi4cSu3qeFpU?si=6YnJNwpHe9ljLzE6 : omen tping in 1st does not equal baiting, the whole point is the tp forces the defenders to take attention off the choke and then the players in b main take advantage, here flor and avova pull it off fairly well actually, if not for the breach ult that comes in from GX right as flor peeks, isolating her from avova, as for the governor bait, it was a double flash setup with breach flash followed by yoru flash, with governor peaking 1st while looking right to avoid the yoru flash that pop a sec afterwards to counter a turn from the defenders, and i worked, atleast with the guy on site, runner was positioned in heaven and was abe to dodge both, with ara getting one as well

RND 10 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxOR2U6S831sO-ngH7ETPNFafkEovGeYRQ?si=Zmr0krcSYc_d67gQ ; Flor throws her tp to get out in case of a utli dump from GX nad so does not have it ready, and then there's the razor vine sized elephant in the room, so even if she did have tp, it would have been no different, avova was screwed the moment those thorns went out, this is an eg of apeks being disfunctional as team more than anything

RND 11 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQCkt4wiT2k1EBkE87i_sQy1o5lZkcRfH?si=gVKRf0iLzsXmXnNN ; Setting up a flash i the 1st screenshot as molsi is throwing out a stunso he cant flash, and someone has to play of said util, as for the 2nd screenshot, the time is low and they dont really have time to set up a proper entry and flor is still in the front shes just clearing left side while molsi clears right , that being said they're a pro team and setting up shit like this on the fly is one of the things t seperates the good from the mid so ill give this to PRVU no asterisk

RND 12 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWytF5Wh2kJ8s5RiNYbbi8b4Sl6JrKbAA?si=G0DKxoMn41H0p0cA, ok soooo........ GOVERNOR ABSOLUTLEY FUCKING TROLLED THIS ONE, peaks b when there's low time with no support, remeber molsi just crossed past like a sec ago, flor is even scrambling to get a flash out, but he dies before flor can even get it out, as for the exec on c, thers like 10 secs they rly dont have the time, still ill give this one* to PRVU as its still techically a bait (im givinbg him points on a technicality, wtf world is this), again we'll get to the asterisk later

RND 13 - CLIP https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxo5Wgqu2jIkK0OFsTX91Du3WK_njyNstu?si=4ybxG5KlKFpX50PH ; Interesting stat came up on the vod, apeks only win 13.7% of rnds when flor dies compared to 19% when its someone else, just tought id bring that up, also flor still got 2 including 1st blood this rnd, apeks trusted flor enough to have her hold the whole of a by herself, this should show how important she was to apeks

RND 14 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzWuWffTzQTLwFtd-_5ZpJltsZp2AWMzr?si=HTji-8X_nKfK9eFd ; As to why flor was behind batu, i could see 2 reasons, flor was farming the orb but batu decided to keep going anyway, the idea was that he was probably gonna take contact regardless, and 2, flor had a classic which ,meant that if she took any duel in spawn, her chances of winning would be slim, batu with his sheriff on the other hand would have had a higher chance of winning a duel, the duel next to the vyse wall is a little harder to explain tho, my best one is that flor didn't want to end up getting pushed by the wall which in the worst case would have fked over batu too, and then theres the sheriff on batu and spacing, its kind of understandable, but ill still give this to PRVU anyways

RND 15 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvT0T1gn2m6PTHCrtXT9xfcN0RsGGLvW9?si=Qk5pqn4rIGjKlH2S ; TBF flor should have maybe cloned?, and molsi and flor should have gone in together so ill give this one* to PRVU, yes we'll get to that asterisk later

RND 16 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQH8k7CAXzAvLDp8d79PXV0wuxfudEgaw?si=AZ__uQibPwlBU2sM ; ITS AN ECO, in a defensive omen smoke made by avova, ur supposed to make plays like this, if anything this is avova's fault for not setting up a smoke with more leak out onto the ground, doesn't excuse flor judgement here, im not mad at it tho considering its an eco with GX winning the bonus round, but its still a lapse of judgment from flor, ill give this to PRVU

RND 17 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaW4ZJ9Di7Agb7FIFWnyrN2L3gz3y4Srz?si=mhG2qliF2AcjsfZL ; We're missing some important context here, that being apek's no senti comp, the gameplan was to take c mound, set up flor on the mound angle and reinforce the A-B side of the map. with flor's op holding info and kill pressure down c,now moving the op when uve got 4 ppl on the oter side of the map doesn't sound like a good idea even with a sentinel and double so without one. and if flor got of the angle to help her teammates during say GX's b exec, she would have been vunerable to the c sontact play she had been holding the whole time, yay is a terrible oper by this standard

RND 18 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxPo_a_u4XvnmodJhfqmJnngsgIGcyHDqj?si=KCwZBg00dQ1iTCqT ; PRVU IS A HATING GRIFTER AND U CANT CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE , again flor is in charge of locking down the weak side with the op(a in this case, again remebr that apeks do not have a sentinel), then she has to transfer her focus to b main when the c exec comes in to hold for a lurk(shes basically been turned in a glorified trip with a one shot function at this point, and then for the kicker, she goes into ult to clear from waterfall but the rest of apeks in their eternal wisdom left c hall and gravel open, giving flickless the opening for a perfect play as he amd cloud ripped them apart with a pincer within waterfall, and flor was in her ult making her way out of waterfall while this was going on, WHAT IS SHE SUPPOSED TO DO HERE, NOT ULT, GET A TRIPLE SPARY TRASFER IN A SEC???????, this entire post ahs been a fking sham with out of context frames, BUT THIS ONE HAS TO BE THE WORST

RND 19 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnJXYa2mAyU_45fSeOF8euVmGcms_cdKj?si=iFY1W5WRdonT2tLh ; flor is the person here who can capitalize the quickest on all this setup, and ive already adressed all the flor baiting allegations

RND 20 - https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzTTfr2-78cu_V4xUec-dRCOdKNutKMxp?si=DsedEA71fM2sNvhn ; This the only rnd where i can whole heartedly say flor fumbled, she was playing on A with a fast rotate to c, once she hit the tp c, she took far to long to clear out c mound and open the door, if she had opened the door sooner, maybe apeks would have had a chance, but there may have been a multiude of other reasons

NOW to explain the asterisks, atleast on attack side i felt that apeks had flor 1st contact when contacting and moving around the map but have someone else, like molsi or governor take 1st contact during execs, probably to reduce the chances of flor dying and giving her more chances to survive and make plays, i obviously cant confirm this but if my assumption is true then it is a team decison not just flor's, hece the asterisk as its would'nt be flor's fault in that sencario

As for the actual post by PistolRoundVyseUlt itself, the whole post is rage bait with out of context framesm; not even clips, frames; with the intention of slander and nothing else, also PRVU idk which is worse, u lying abt being immo in ur thread or u actually being immo such a dogshit understanding pf the game i almost threw my mouse at my monitor more than once, and all of this for what flor being a GC/TRANS player?????, its honestly ridiculous how much u lie and bend reality to paint ur BS pic almost half the rounds u brought up were

There are a few more points id like to touch on, not all duelists are the same, theres a big difference between someone victor, miniboo or jingg and someone like cryo, something, demon1 or even aspas; these guys have different strengths and weaknesses, and flor is no different, she's not the kind of player u ask to just send it into a site to make space, making a player of florescent's mechanical caliber play straight entry is wasting her potential, the same way playing demon1 on neon or cryo on raze in a solo duelist setup is a bad idea, the same way u can maybe play killan mbappe as a traditonal striker/No.9 but his full potential will only be reached on the left wing. flor is not as setup dependent as say a yay, cryo or demon1 but the best way to make use of her is helping her insane mechanics shine(her aim being insane is something that cannot be disputed, and any aim coach will agree with that), which is what apeks did on attack for the most part, and its not like flor was way behind the 1st contact, she ws often right with them less then a step behind, that is not baiting that is a viable entry statergy.oh and asking ur yoru to make space by throwing themsevles at the site is a shitty idea, yoru is a outplays focused agent, if u want ur yoru player playing space like an actual dive duleist, then go with that, not yoru

on a personal note, i always knew it is easy to cook up bullshit but a 100x harder to debunk said BS, but i never knew it was this much of a pain, the making of this whole post gave me a new found respect for vidoe essayists lolz

TL;DR THE OG post by PRVU is BS, full of out of context frames, shitty understanding of the game and a just straight up the worst misrepresntation of valorant gameplay(if u can call individual frames gameplay) possible, still recommed u read the post tho, YES U ARE READING ALL'AT

now i need a break, its 5am, i started at 12 am, my chair is falling apart and my back hurts, why i did this i have no idea

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i respect it bro

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average flor glazer responds to average flor hatewatcher

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SUMMARIZING FOR ALLAT PPL: Flor is a baiter

This is obvious. All his examples were terrible and wrong but people ate that garbage up because they either have a poor understanding of the game or like 80% of people just didn't even bother to read the thread.

Respect bro :3

we know flor isn't a baiter, it was just a rage bait you didn't need to do allat

PRVU massive fraud ngl he needs to respond with a 5 page apology

allat but yea flor is a baiter

why did u spend 5 hours on this just to agree with me for like half the points

im not reading this but upvote for effort

Allat but

flor is still a baiter.

allat

She's not gonna let you suck it

allat

allat

... good night

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