Will tenz dominate the same if all of EU csgo pros switch to valorant.
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Yes. The game has been out for long enough where EU csgo pros switching to Val will not adapt in time to the current meta and skill of pros right now.
S1mple plays enough ranked in valorant already, he even streams it, same for elige btw. If top 10 hltv caliber players switched to val they would be destroying the competition, shahzam in top 3 OP NA while he had 1.02 kd against tier 1 teams in csgo as a primary sniper(s1mple has 1.47, for comparison)
Or, for example, sick(best flex player in this game imo) has 1.0 kd vs tier 1 teams, meanwhile someone like magisk or niko or electronic have 1.20 or close to it, if twistz switched to val rn any NA team would replace a player for him imo, just because tier 2 cs pros can dominate in val and a tier 1 pro like twistz will have 350+ acs every tournament easily.
^ exactly this
At the start, cs pros had an edge against pros from other games simply because in general both cs and val are played similarly.
But once ppl started to discover the gun mechanics that were exclusive to valorant, things started to change.
If the EU pros switched to val in beta, tenZ wouldn't be nearly as dominant internationally, but since they didn't, the answer to your question is yes.
A team with elige, twistz, brehze and +2 will dominate na valorant in 2-3 months if they switch imo, they have better mechanics and better gamesense than all of na valorant pro scene combined.
typical cs fanboy, they are really good and i dont doubt they would be good and probably some of the best but acting like once they switch it will be over for everyone else is obnoxious
i mean what else do you want him to say? "yeah if a team of 5 of the best NA csgo players still in their prime were to switch to valorant, eh, they'd be okay."
like huh? yeah they would eventually be the best? what else would you expect lol
nah its about how well you adapt to the mechanics,alot of cs players surely have more talent than tenz aim and gamesense wise,also this game still favours cs players,this game has been out for more than a year and 90% of the tier 1 is still only cs players,who are clearly better compared to ow pros like faze for example
i think its much easier to learn the nuances of a game than get straight-up better mechanics wise. i think if T1 CS players switched within a few months they will be the best players in the world
gun play not hard, kennys has been streaming valorant, has 0 clue about half the abilites and still owns with the op
Dude has been streaming for more than a month and for hours at a time. If he doesn’t know what the skills do by now he is either dumb as a box of rocks or he is just pretending to be dumb.
Chances are not, I would say. But Tenz know valorant more than csgo pros right. There are some dayum skilled players in csgo. So who knows.....
if they have a few months to adapt, then obviously not. i'm not the type to circlejerk about "XD tenz shit in csgo" bc he wasn't bad, he was an average pro with lots of potential. but the top of the top eu cs players are just a dimension away from him in skill, they're just not even comparable as tac fps players
That's an arrogant way to look at it when you haven't seen them play against him in this game. Your knowledge of their skill is from CS, not Valorant. Only way to know the gap is if they stood before him in this game and destroyed him but what would you say if he destroyed them? Would you call them washed? Or say Valo is rng? Would you say TenZ is better? Dota players aren't better than Faker unless they play against him and beat him over and over and over again. If S1mple came to Valo tomorrow and TenZ beat him in 8 out of 12 duels or even 10 of 12. I would never say TenZ is a better CS player than him because that would be untrue.
Dota and lol are way too different, much more different than csgo and val for sure, so the dota-lol comparison is absolutely irrelevant.
Obviously, the comparison exists because people consider Dota to be mechanically more difficult than LOL therefore the comparison is relevant
I find it weird how hard people try to push the narrative that valorant and csgo are so different that you can't compare the players. especially when someone like tenz has probably 10x the playtime in cs than he has in valorant. tenz is not a beast because he has some incredible skill that is specific to valorant, he's amazing because of his insanely fine tuned mechanics he had built up from his career in csgo rofl
it's hardly arrogant to compare a player that has displayed a prodigial level of skill literally transcending the game, showing that even at the highest level there is another tier of gameplay. to a player that is very skilled! but really doesn't stand out from his peers in a visible way.
the dota example you use is super disingenuous and makes it sound like you're just angry and arguing in bad faith. even trying to make analogies between games as wildly different as mobas and tac fps is just ridiculous lol.
when you have a once in a generation talent like s1mple or zywoo, it's pretty blatantly obvious their talents would translate over to a game where t2 csgo pros are easily able to convert their skills and flourish.
this part is gonna upset some people but when i see people compare tenz to talents like s1mple, zywoo, device, etc. it reminds me of indian fans comparing skrossi to tenz LOL
Your entire point is wrong based on the words of actual pros. Listen to what pros have to say rather than act like you know more and can make the comparison just by watching. It actually proves my point of arrogance. The Dota comparison is because Dota has always been compared to LOL. Literally from its creation. Dota players have always said that it takes more skill and involves far more thinking so my point is Valid here. Your certainty in CS players being better in Valo than Valo players again proves my point of arrogance. Unless they come to Valo and do better than TenZ, your point is shit and always will be
you're too stuck on the games being compared. I don't care what game you play, whether you're playing csgo or quake arena LMAO
it's not about the medium. it's about standing out from your contemporaries. s1mple and zywoo are players that are going to be immortalized in fps history because they transcend the game. they are on another level compared to their rivals.
tenz is a strong player that has proved to be one of the best. but he does not stand out. he is not a mold breaker. he is not a legend of the game. he's just a top tier player among a sea of other top tier players. the game is young, he has time to build a legacy. but it's not even close to existing yet.
Dude everything you said has nothing to do with what I said in anything. I never compared TenZ to Zywoo or S1mple and their impact. I said you won't know where they stand in Valorant unless they actually play on the same server. I never said TenZ was better. I even said if TenZ was to some how beat them, I would not say he is better at CS. Im not the one caught up in the comparison, you are. My answer is the most logical, you can't answer it unless they play each other in Valorant. That's my answer, everyone elses is "no because CS PLAYERS ARE GODS AND WE NEED TO WORSHIP AND SUCK THEIR DICKS HARDER TO SEE HOW FAR IT FITS"
Dude they already shat on tenz on a game they both played? Now they have to chase him around in different titles all the time so they can prove it again and again? How many times did tenz have to take an absolute beating in csgo for you to put through your head that he was an average talent? You know why setsuza is putting him in a different tier to that of Zywoo and s1mple? Because they dominated the competition from the start. They joined a team and they were the best in the next year of their competitive tenure. Don't even try to compare them. Tenz dominates in a game that is filled with washed up pros, and tier8 fplc players. And that's fact.
Dude they never even fucking faced each other. TenZ choked or whatever happened and left CS and is now in Valo and yes dumbass, the only way to know if TenZ would dominate in this game is if they come to Valo and face him. We can't answer it if they're playing on two different games can we?
nah cs pros now would be shit at valorant, only chance cs pros had were at the beggining
No way to know unless they do it. TenZ imo is one of the most mechanically gifted players in fps history. He still hasn't reached his peak either. This game also rewards his style of play. TenZ is already above players that were tier 1 CS that moved over. Like I said no way to know unless they make the move. It's arrogant for people to say they are more skilled than him in this game. I've seen so many people act like CS players are just going to be godly at this game but that's untrue.
I can name at least 20 young csgo players with better mechanics than tenz, tenz never achieved anything because he was not good enough for tier 1, b1t is the same age now as tenz was back then and he already owns in tier 1 cs for example, tenz is one of hundreds, look at ropz or 18-19yo electronic as well, tenz can't compare to either.
Better mechanics than TenZ in Valo compared to them in CS? You can name 20 young players that have better mechanics than TenZ from a different game. Bro when TenZ came into CS. Pros, and fans had huge expectations for him. "Next S1mple, Gen Z Shroud, next big thing in CS" and yeah he failed but people are quick to judge others by failure, you judge him by his failure but forget the ceiling people set for him. That ceiling didn't fall off the planet because he messed up. You have never seen his peak. Unless the players you have in your head comes to Valorant and shits on TenZ. I will not believe they are better mechanically than him at this game.
Tbh I can think of only 1 possible switch to valorant out of all of them, still very unlikely tho, navi don't want to use m0nesy yet and his buyout is set too high so there is a 5% possibility that he would go to navi valorant, and the rest are already accomplished enough in csgo so the switch won't make any sense for them.
Than you can never prove that to me. Like I said, I will never say they are better than TenZ in Valo because they are good in CS and I will never say TenZ is better in CS because he is the best in Valo. Like I said, imo TenZ is one of the most gifted mechanical players and other pros would actually agree. I'm not going to believe that some kids from CS are better than him in Valo unless they come and beat him. Also the talent pool is not going to only CS. That misconception is bad. CIS is the only region where CS significantly has more CS players. The Ratio for Valo is actually pretty good across the world. So a talented player that could be the next S1mple in CS could be a giant anime fan and decide to persue Valo but CS fans will shit on him without knowing his potential simply because he is playing Valo over CS. You cannot say all young mechanical talent is in CS.
Pros, and fans had huge expectations for him. "Next S1mple, Gen Z Shroud, next big thing in CS" and yeah he failed but people are quick to judge others by failure, you judge him by his failure but forget the ceiling people set for him. That ceiling didn't fall off the planet because he messed up.
i can tell from these sentences that you barely watched pro cs and are literally just vomiting up shit that you've read online. please stop spouting shit that isn't true and trying to make takes on cs/valorant when you clearly only know about one scene. everything you said has predicated on "well pro said" and has no substance whatsoever man, you're out of your depth.
Nah dumbass, I was there. I listened to interviews. I read the reddit posts. I know what I'm talking about. I gave a logical answer. We can't know unless they face each other in this game. Yes TenZ fucked up. Nobody starts on the same level or reaches their peak at the same time. We can't know where TenZ stands unless they play on the same fucking sever
TenZ imo is one of the most mechanically gifted players in fps history
dude there is more to mechanics than crazy aim labs scores i promise
you are in a bubble. "fps history" the world is enormous. there are more to fps than tenz epic flick compilation#999.
ignoring tenz, tactical fps is one of the least mechanically demanding subgenres of FPS. if i had to talk about mechanically talented, i would probably only list 2-3 players MAX from csgo/valorant COMBINED.
i remember back in the csgo days people would say the same thing about Shroud. some things never change.
Maybe I got too ambitious with the FPS HISTORY part but I said imo and mine does not have to align with yours so unless you got your head so far up your ass that you think your opinion is better. Shhhhhh. My answer still stands. We won't know unless we see and by WE, Im including you.
I would say yeah for sure. Tenz is not known for his decision making, he's known for his great aim and almost every tier-1 cs pro have been in so many wierd situtions/clutches and that game sense is unvaluable. And if we talk about aim there are some serious killers overthere: twistzz, electronic, yekinder , sh1ro, etc. We dont even have to name s1mple cuz the guy is way beyond any other fps pro in general. But i see people getting mad over cs players vs Valorant, but the thing is if they switch they are not CS player anymore.
He has an advantage in mechanics and knowledge about the game, but in the long run he obviously wouldn't compete with Zywoo and Simple, the aim, movement, and intelligence of the best CSGO players are far superior to TenZ imo, anyone who thinks Simple, Zywoo, and Device wouldn't shit on TenZ's head is dishonest
I definety think TenZ would still be the dominant figure in valorant even if the EU pros like Niko and s1mple switched over.
hoenstly if S1mple switched over to valorant he would make the best jett players in the world right now look like tier 2 players, S1mple ha the work ethic to succeed in transitioning games and has the inherent talent to be able to succeed in a game as top heavy and talent ridden as valorant
they are better mechanical aimers but obviously aim isnt everything. tenz has been grinding out this game since its inception and knows what to do in every situation, while the csgo pros if they were to switch over would be lost in those situations. also the utility is so varied in valorant they would be lost thinking they can just out aim everyone in the server. they will have an edge over other new players but they will have to grind to be the same level as the top players in val rn.
s1mple is immortal and kennyS is diamond....."this guy good in csgo also good in valorant" copium
Then you think that ranked is comparable to official? KEKW