Bro all this drama and split between the valorant community could’ve been avoided, if riot just made the character a chick, like why are they bringing these things into a video game? It’s so extra and unnecessary, and I’m not trying to hate but it seemed like a last minute decision either way because this character doesn’t come close to what a nonbinary person would look like she just looks like a feminine looking chick. Now we see in almost every content creator twitch chat ppl arguing and getting banned ab the same shit like bro just watch the stream, riot just set a nuke on the valorant community smh.
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Orangepanda [#4]The US tries to insert its ideology through a video game.
Yeah I mean idk why they’re trying to bring this into a video game when there’s plenty of other better ways riot can support this movement
DdoggyVII [#5]Yeah I mean idk why they’re trying to bring this into a video game when there’s plenty of other better ways riot can support this movement
It's already happen since riot release that gay champs (in LOL) (I forgot that name) and LiL nas sing it for WORLD and valorant release the the color card (which card for gender colour if I remember)
simo98 [#3]Never say it's Valo community
It's western community
Asia will never take that part
As a Asian I agree
simo98 [#6]It's already happen since riot release that gay champs (in LOL) (I forgot that name) and LiL nas sing it for WORLD and valorant release the the color card (which card for gender colour if I remember)
Look the card shit I get but a charecter wasn't necessary
TakoSaki [#7]people who get upset over clove getting misgendered need to grow up
likewise people who do it on purpose also need to grow up
its a useless PR move that just creates drama tho
I agree with you but do we need a charecter thats nb if you want representations ther are plenty other ways to do it and it's a fictional character if I say she by mistake you shouldn't start whining
Americans are fked in the head truly
Rey55 [#8]It's so that you learn how to address non-binary people in real life. Whether you agree with it or not, this is a good and effective way to make this mainstream.
That's the most dumb take I have seen this just proves propaganda from riot which shuts down half your arguments
tomato211222 [#13]That's the most dumb take I have seen this just proves propaganda from riot which shuts down half your arguments
“propaganda” alright buddy time for bed
tomato211222 [#12]I agree with you but do we need a charecter thats nb if you want representations ther are plenty other ways to do it and it's a fictional character if I say she by mistake you shouldn't start whining
Americans are fked in the head truly
absolutely unecessary to make clove nb i agree, and i got told to kill myself by a bunch of people for misgendering clove on twitter by accident ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠
simo98 [#3]Never say it's Valo community
It's western community
Asia will never take that part
Agreed and if u dont agree with west u get banned
zikryhaizul [#11]well, I still call her a she tho.
Everyone in ranked calls it , its just players and streamers cant call it otherwise they are getting cancelled.Even johnqt and fns called she but had to apologize.
This isn't 'drama'. Non-Binary people existing and being represented in a video game is not controversial. It is only a big deal becuase people are choosing to be bigoted about it. I understand that it may be genuienly hard for people to get used to saying they/them pronouns for a character who looks particulary feminine because they aren't used to it. But being purposly hateful towards the idea of a character representing a group of people, who are very much real and don't want their existance to be political, is a very sad and pathetic thing to do. If something like this is actually upsetting to you, you are a bad person and need to re-evaluate your world view.
The only thing that should be important is that now a margalized group can feel represented in their favorite game, just like others have felt since launch.
zikryhaizul [#11]well, I still call her a she tho.
doesnt malay have gendered neutral pronouns? why is this different? matter of fact why do we even give a fuck this is absurd
Savvii [#18]This isn't 'drama'. Non-Binary people existing and being represented in a video game is not controversial. It is only a big deal becuase people are choosing to be bigoted about it. I understand that it may be genuienly hard for people to get used to saying they/them pronouns for a character who looks particulary feminine because they aren't used to it. But being purposly hateful towards the idea of a character representing a group of people, who are very much real and don't want their existance to be political, is a very sad and pathetic thing to do. If something like this is actually upsetting to you, you are a bad person and need to re-evaluate your world view.
The only thing that should be important is that now a margalized group can feel represented in their favorite game, just like others have felt since launch.
holy shit the brainrot has gotten to you, don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that nb is somehow not controversial, this shit wasn't even a thing until a few years ago and now you cunts are going around calling everyone alt-right or bigot for questioning it. I implore you to go to other countries and see if your shit will just simply fly like it does in your usual reddit and twitter spaces.
TakoSaki [#15]absolutely unecessary to make clove nb i agree, and i got told to kill myself by a bunch of people for misgendering clove on twitter by accident ☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠
Agreed
NA_KEKW [#20]holy shit the brainrot has gotten to you, don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that nb is somehow not controversial, this shit wasn't even a thing until a few years ago and now you cunts are going around calling everyone alt-right or bigot for questioning it. I implore you to go to other countries and see if your shit will just simply fly like it does in your usual reddit and twitter spaces.
How is a group of people who just want to exist without being harassed causing any controversy? They are literally doing nothing towards you that affects your life at all more than just asking to be referred to as they/them. They are humans too. This has nothing to do with what other poeple do accross the world. This just has to do with making a group of people not feel like outliers in the community.
If you are being openinly hateful towards a group of people for being in that group... that is the definition of being bigoted.
Savvii [#18]This isn't 'drama'. Non-Binary people existing and being represented in a video game is not controversial. It is only a big deal becuase people are choosing to be bigoted about it. I understand that it may be genuienly hard for people to get used to saying they/them pronouns for a character who looks particulary feminine because they aren't used to it. But being purposly hateful towards the idea of a character representing a group of people, who are very much real and don't want their existance to be political, is a very sad and pathetic thing to do. If something like this is actually upsetting to you, you are a bad person and need to re-evaluate your world view.
The only thing that should be important is that now a margalized group can feel represented in their favorite game, just like others have felt since launch.
only him and her exist if you have braincells
Savvii [#22]How is a group of people who just want to exist without being harassed causing any controversy? They are literally doing nothing towards you that affects your life at all more than just asking to be referred to as they/them. They are humans too. This has nothing to do with what other poeple do accross the world. This just has to do with making a group of people not feel like outliers in the community.
If you are being openinly hateful towards a group of people for being in that group... that is the definition of being bigoted.
how can you seriously say this doesn't have to do with the rest of the world when this game exist in so many countries and many of them don't even have this. china doesn't have this, russia doesn't have this, south american doesn't even have pronouns like this. THIS GAME EXISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THIS SHIT WILL FLY BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE SUBREDDIT SUPPORTS IT. your whole argument for this only works in the west, hell clove is still referred to a she in russian translation, clove still have female prefix in china, your argument only stems from your little bubble that echos and supports your sentiment, and now you're trying to push this onto the rest of the world under the guise of moral grandstanding. you're just being a cultural colonialist, calling everyone a bigot for not conforming to your ideals. fuck off
Wtakesonly12 [#24]only him and her exist if you have braincells
They and them have existed in the english language to refer to people with for 600 years :)
Savvii [#26]They and them have existed in the english language to refer to people with for 600 years :)
Not in the way people use them now which is incorrect
Savvii [#26]They and them have existed in the english language to refer to people with for 600 years :)
that shit was used like once and it was to refer to an unknown individual, not some mysterious made up gender.
NA_KEKW [#25]how can you seriously say this doesn't have to do with the rest of the world when this game exist in so many countries and many of them don't even have this. china doesn't have this, russia doesn't have this, south american doesn't even have pronouns like this. THIS GAME EXISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THIS SHIT WILL FLY BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE SUBREDDIT SUPPORTS IT. your whole argument for this only works in the west, hell clove is still referred to a she in russian translation, clove still have female prefix in china, your argument only stems from your little bubble that echos and supports your sentiment, and now you're trying to push this onto the rest of the world under the guise of moral grandstanding. you're just being a cultural colonialist, calling everyone a bigot for not conforming to your ideals. fuck off
So you agree that people who live in those countries who consider themselves non-binary have no way to express themselves for who they are? And that possibly the existance of someone like themselves in a video game they like to play can give them possibly the little bit of representation or comminity they don't have in their real life?
Stop acting like its ok to be hateful towards an entire group of people just because they are wrongfully persecuted in some of the most authoritarian countries in the world. This is no different than being hateful towards a religious group for believing in their religion. Just becuase christians, jews, muslims are being persecuted in different countires around the world doesn't make it ok. Why should it not be the same for non-binary people and other LGBTQ+ identifying people.
Wanting a group of people to feel safe and welcome doesn't make you sheltered or in a bubble, I just believe its never ok to direct hate towards people who are just being who they are while not inflicting any hate outward. How simple is that
peanutchin [#19]doesnt malay have gendered neutral pronouns? why is this different? matter of fact why do we even give a fuck this is absurd
Wasn't it the same case with many other austronesian languages? It was only in the West that its meaning began to change
Savvii [#29]So you agree that people who live in those countries who consider themselves non-binary have no way to express themselves for who they are? And that possibly the existance of someone like themselves in a video game they like to play can give them possibly the little bit of representation or comminity they don't have in their real life?
Stop acting like its ok to be hateful towards an entire group of people just because they are wrongfully persecuted in some of the most authoritarian countries in the world. This is no different than being hateful towards a religious group for believing in their religion. Just becuase christians, jews, muslims are being persecuted in different countires around the world doesn't make it ok. Why should it not be the same for non-binary people and other LGBTQ+ identifying people.
Wanting a group of people to feel safe and welcome doesn't make you sheltered or in a bubble, I just believe its never ok to direct hate towards people who are just being who they are while not inflicting any hate outward. How simple is that
what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing where you're suddenly saying that the rest of the world all has nbs and therefore this is good because it somehow supports them (even if they did exist, they'll never see it in their respective country anyways), do you forget the ccp owns riot? remember how the ccp also said they're banning games with effeminate males (not joking you can genuinely search it up), the west isn't the entire world you know? this shit doesn't exist in those countries and riot has made a clear effort to not go against them, if anything they're just trying to appease whatever internal biases you have so that you keep fucking playing and throwin money at them in the process, all the while the majority of people who aren't part of the lgbtq or hell even immigrants like me who are esl (english second language) who never even heard of any of this, have to suddenly step on egg shells just to make hurt your fragile egos.
NA_KEKW [#20]holy shit the brainrot has gotten to you, don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that nb is somehow not controversial, this shit wasn't even a thing until a few years ago and now you cunts are going around calling everyone alt-right or bigot for questioning it. I implore you to go to other countries and see if your shit will just simply fly like it does in your usual reddit and twitter spaces.
intersex and nonbinary people have existed for thousands of years wdym it wasnt a thing until a few years ago
Kebone [#33]intersex and nonbinary people have existed for thousands of years wdym it wasnt a thing until a few years ago
damn bro that's crazy, let me guess those articles saying how intersex and nonbinary have always existed just came out in the past few years as well did they?
Kebone [#33]intersex and nonbinary people have existed for thousands of years wdym it wasnt a thing until a few years ago
Tbh not sure about how long nb has existed, but isnt intersex an actual medical condition you are born with? lmaooo feels weird to bring a medical condition someone can be born with into a conversation about whether or not an agent's gender identity belongs in a game.
tomato211222 [#12]I agree with you but do we need a charecter thats nb if you want representations ther are plenty other ways to do it and it's a fictional character if I say she by mistake you shouldn't start whining
Americans are fked in the head truly
Yea but it’s not all of us there’s still ppl who can see between society’s lies
NA_KEKW [#34]damn bro that's crazy, let me guess those articles saying how intersex and nonbinary have always existed just came out in the past few years as well did they?
search up hijra and kathoey. they have existed for hundreds of years
NA_KEKW [#32]what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing where you're suddenly saying that the rest of the world all has nbs and therefore this is good because it somehow supports them (even if they did exist, they'll never see it in their respective country anyways), do you forget the ccp owns riot? remember how the ccp also said they're banning games with effeminate males (not joking you can genuinely search it up), the west isn't the entire world you know? this shit doesn't exist in those countries and riot has made a clear effort to not go against them, if anything they're just trying to appease whatever internal biases you have so that you keep fucking playing and throwin money at them in the process, all the while the majority of people who aren't part of the lgbtq or hell even immigrants like me who are esl (english second language) who never even heard of any of this, have to suddenly step on egg shells just to make hurt your fragile egos.
What kind of mental gymnastics are you playing to try to find a way to be openly hateful towards people. Newsflash, there are people in every country who feel like they don't align with either male or female pronouns, they just don't advertise it because people with the same ideology as you will harass them verbally and sometimes physically. It still happens in the west. I'm not defending Riot, I agree they are just a company doing whatever they can to make the most money possible. I'm defending the people who are getting hate for absolutly no reason just because one character doesn't have he/him or she/her pronouns like the 23 before. Again, I'm not saying anyone and everyone should be ousted for not correctly gendering poeple 100% of the time, just the people who are choosing to do so just because they don't feel like non-binary people should exist.
This is the last-time im going to respond. Clearly everything is just going over your head. I hope that one day you can mature and realize that being hateful is just wasted energy.
Kebone [#37]search up hijra and kathoey. they have existed for hundreds of years
these are biological features that are considered a third sex, those are medical conditions and the respective countries have already figured out gender terms and norms for them, what the wests problem is they created a vague ass gender called non-binary and now want to push that shit to the rest of the world, when for centuries they've never a problem with this stuff. once again like I said before, it's cultural colonism and you're just doing it to make yourself feel morally superior.
Savvii [#39]What kind of mental gymnastics are you playing to try to find a way to be openly hateful towards people. Newsflash, there are people in every country who feel like they don't align with either male or female pronouns, they just don't advertise it because people with the same ideology as you will harass them verbally and sometimes physically. It still happens in the west. I'm not defending Riot, I agree they are just a company doing whatever they can to make the most money possible. I'm defending the people who are getting hate for absolutly no reason just because one character doesn't have he/him or she/her pronouns like the 23 before. Again, I'm not saying anyone and everyone should be ousted for not correctly gendering poeple 100% of the time, just the people who are choosing to do so just because they don't feel like non-binary people should exist.
This is the last-time im going to respond. Clearly everything is just going over your head. I hope that one day you can mature and realize that being hateful is just wasted energy.
kek, one day i hope you realize that your ideology is nothing but a sham for corporations to milk money and goodwill out of you only to throw you off to the side the moment they don't need you anymore. you say you're fighting for marginalized people but you're just making the normal folks hate you even more.
Kebone [#37]search up hijra and kathoey. they have existed for hundreds of years
Never put KATHOEY same as u guys
He still "accepting" that he as boy/man no matter how hard he trying be lady
That's why they all called as a ladyboy
But u western ???
Nah bro naaahhh
NA_KEKW [#32]what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing where you're suddenly saying that the rest of the world all has nbs and therefore this is good because it somehow supports them (even if they did exist, they'll never see it in their respective country anyways), do you forget the ccp owns riot? remember how the ccp also said they're banning games with effeminate males (not joking you can genuinely search it up), the west isn't the entire world you know? this shit doesn't exist in those countries and riot has made a clear effort to not go against them, if anything they're just trying to appease whatever internal biases you have so that you keep fucking playing and throwin money at them in the process, all the while the majority of people who aren't part of the lgbtq or hell even immigrants like me who are esl (english second language) who never even heard of any of this, have to suddenly step on egg shells just to make hurt your fragile egos.
this is just false on numerous occasions. Gender being a spectrum and the "non binary" as a concept has existed since before christ. It isnt some western shill propaganda that a lot of idiots online dogwhistle it to be. Just because you are unaware of it doesnt mean others are as well.
NA_KEKW [#20]holy shit the brainrot has gotten to you, don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that nb is somehow not controversial, this shit wasn't even a thing until a few years ago and now you cunts are going around calling everyone alt-right or bigot for questioning it. I implore you to go to other countries and see if your shit will just simply fly like it does in your usual reddit and twitter spaces.
Yo maybe do some research before spouting dogshit online.
NA_KEKW [#41]kek, one day i hope you realize that your ideology is nothing but a sham for corporations to milk money and goodwill out of you only to throw you off to the side the moment they don't need you anymore. you say you're fighting for marginalized people but you're just making the normal folks hate you even more.
real talk na_kekw, why is it that you're so resistant to nb movement. I can understand that you don't want to "suddenly step on eggshells" but it seems to me that all these people r asking of you is that you respect the personal decisions they've made for themselves (treat them with human decent) and call them by a different pronoun. Their expression is not an attack on other people so why do you feel that way? Is it really that offensive to you if a person prefers to be called a just they/them instead of she/her? If so, why?
TheHardStuckImmortal [#47]Yo maybe do some research before spouting dogshit online.
kek, "I implore you to go educate yourself" is as convincing of an argument as trying to convince people that nb is a not a sham
NA_KEKW [#50]kek, "I implore you to go educate yourself" is as convincing of an argument as trying to convince people that nb is a not a sham
well i invite you to prove that it is a "sham' without using anecdotes and actual statistics.
Shooj [#49]real talk na_kekw, why is it that you're so resistant to nb movement. I can understand that you don't want to "suddenly step on eggshells" but it seems to me that all these people r asking of you is that you respect the personal decisions they've made for themselves (treat them with human decent) and call them by a different pronoun. Their expression is not an attack on other people so why do you feel that way? Is it really that offensive to you if a person prefers to be called a just they/them instead of she/her? If so, why?
didn't have a problem with trans at first, until they started to become figurative hyenas, making their gender identity their entire personality and attacking anyone and everyone who may have misgendered (even accidentaly) them or deadnamed them, they're a bunch of sad individuals who can't afford to experience any sort of social turbulance without immediately screaming how it's everyone else's or society fault they're like this. just look at twitch when clove release, fns accidently called clove a she on stream and suddenly his chat is losing their minds demanding him to apologize, to the fucking fictional character no less. when clove got announced during vct anyone who called clove a she in chat immediately got banned, im past the point of being convinced this whole nb thing is anything but a political move.
Savvii [#18]This isn't 'drama'. Non-Binary people existing and being represented in a video game is not controversial. It is only a big deal becuase people are choosing to be bigoted about it. I understand that it may be genuienly hard for people to get used to saying they/them pronouns for a character who looks particulary feminine because they aren't used to it. But being purposly hateful towards the idea of a character representing a group of people, who are very much real and don't want their existance to be political, is a very sad and pathetic thing to do. If something like this is actually upsetting to you, you are a bad person and need to re-evaluate your world view.
The only thing that should be important is that now a margalized group can feel represented in their favorite game, just like others have felt since launch.
Go visit a doctor quick! Before it gets worse . A lot of ill yapping didnt read tho
Wtakesonly12 [#27]Not in the way people use them now which is incorrect
If you dont know a persons gender, you were able to call THEM a they or a them back then. what the fuck are you talking about
simo98 [#3]Never say it's Valo community
It's western community
Asia will never take that part
queer people exist in asia too. just because you don't see them as much doesn't mean they don't exist. keep coping
shubham932002 [#17]Everyone in ranked calls it , its just players and streamers cant call it otherwise they are getting cancelled.Even johnqt and fns called she but had to apologize.
i thought johnqt is muslim?
Orangepanda [#4]The US tries to insert its ideology through a video game.
yep joe biden called the ceo of riot and told him to make clove non-binary. you people are delusional
chrrybmb [#57]queer people exist in asia too. just because you don't see them as much doesn't mean they don't exist. keep coping
Yes it's exist and then ?
We never making drama for kinda things
That's the problem with western everything need to be accepted with their ideology
soraol [#56]So I decided not to spend any more money on this game. It became a propaganda tool
also just stop playing and leave the community while you're at it thanks
simo98 [#60]Yes it's exist and then ?
We never making drama for kinda things
That's the problem with western everything need to be accepted with their ideology
you are literally making drama right now with these comments. it would be so much easier to just say nothing and be respectful but you chose to cry about it. non-binary people just want to be left alone and not get hate
shubham932002 [#17]Everyone in ranked calls it , its just players and streamers cant call it otherwise they are getting cancelled.Even johnqt and fns called she but had to apologize.
why would you ever need third person pronouns in a ranked game? you gonna call "she's long" and gonna have your teammates guess what agent you're talking about?!
chrrybmb [#63]you are literally making drama right now with these comments. it would be so much easier to just say nothing and be respectful but you chose to cry about it. non-binary people just want to be left alone and not get hate
Why I cry ?
I just wanna draw the line that clover it's characters in game and we okay with it and it's doesn't matter it's boy, girl,they them,non binary, helicopter.
U literally the one put on fire here with word as "drama"
If I care I literally comment westjett and putting this on post every single day on vlr
JyJy [#62]also just stop playing and leave the community while you're at it thanks
This state is literally making gap to another person not playing with this game
simo98 [#60]Yes it's exist and then ?
We never making drama for kinda things
That's the problem with western everything need to be accepted with their ideology
Asians don't make drama about these things because they have so many things to fix on the country/national level that these things don't even get the attention.
simo98 [#65]Why I cry ?
I just wanna draw the line that clover it's characters in game and we okay with it and it's doesn't matter it's boy, girl,they them,non binary, helicopter.
U literally the one put on fire here with word as "drama"
If I care I literally comment westjett and putting this on post every single day on vlr
i don't even know what you're saying, this is barely english. u need duolingo bruh
chrrybmb [#69]i don't even know what you're saying, this is barely english. u need duolingo bruh
Yeah that's why
U mad because my English bad ?
underdog_Supporter [#68]Asians don't make drama about these things because they have so many things to fix on the country/national level that these things don't even get the attention.
Half right
Another reason we never use same language and not common with english.
Use simple language if sometime wanna talk with person have different languages (in asia it's common when they having another language, multilingual it's common in here, at least we just learn trash language just for culture exchange)
underdog_Supporter [#68]Asians don't make drama about these things because they have so many things to fix on the country/national level that these things don't even get the attention.
Don't worry about Grammar Police in asia bro LMAO
underdog_Supporter [#68]Asians don't make drama about these things because they have so many things to fix on the country/national level that these things don't even get the attention.
Oh yes lemme just pack my armor so i can go to school xdd
underdog_Supporter [#68]Asians don't make drama about these things because they have so many things to fix on the country/national level that these things don't even get the attention.
ah yes the US has nothing national to fix so they will be making unnecessary dramas, yeah right man, that is what the US actually does
simo98 [#70]Yeah that's why
U mad because my English bad ?
nah i'm actually glad because it means i don't have to read your trash beliefs
starxito_sike [#74]ah yes the US has nothing national to fix so they will be making unnecessary dramas, yeah right man, that is what the US actually does
-Singaporean ship a day ago
"Cho chooo whoops"
-Texas : "oh I love america I still wanna be part of them" xDD
NA_KEKW [#52]didn't have a problem with trans at first, until they started to become figurative hyenas, making their gender identity their entire personality and attacking anyone and everyone who may have misgendered (even accidentaly) them or deadnamed them, they're a bunch of sad individuals who can't afford to experience any sort of social turbulance without immediately screaming how it's everyone else's or society fault they're like this. just look at twitch when clove release, fns accidently called clove a she on stream and suddenly his chat is losing their minds demanding him to apologize, to the fucking fictional character no less. when clove got announced during vct anyone who called clove a she in chat immediately got banned, im past the point of being convinced this whole nb thing is anything but a political move.
yea ok i see your point about how its not cool to atk people who misgender marginalized communities by accident since it has been relatively recent that their movements have been hyper-mainstream in the west. More conservative people are generally slow to change so i can understand if they need time to get on board with these kinds of changes (ex. preferred pronouns). However, do you think it is fair to have such avid distaste for the whole non-binary community from a handful of bad experiences? In doing so, you spread more hate to nb people you've never met, who've never tried to hurt you. You are, of course, entitled to ur opinion but actively shitting on them can cause damage to people who are just trying to be themselves to no one's expense.
chrrybmb [#76]nah i'm actually glad because it means i don't have to read your trash beliefs
Good then
tbh i feel like riot and the streamers r taking it 2 seriously in the sense that people do accidently misgender clove and you know it unless people are being intentionally hateful
in the end its just a game kekw :l if ur gonna get pissed over a fictional character in a game getting misgendered just go do something else lol
unilarity [#80]tbh i feel like riot and the streamers r taking it 2 seriously in the sense that people do accidently misgender clove and you know it unless people are being intentionally hateful
in the end its just a game kekw :l if ur gonna get pissed over a fictional character in a game getting misgendered just go do something else lol
yeah but if its a fictional character you shouldnt care what their pronouns are anyway too, works both ways
either way, Im tired of seeing my twitter feed abt ppl arguing about the pronouns lmao
Kebone [#33]intersex and nonbinary people have existed for thousands of years wdym it wasnt a thing until a few years ago
comparing intersex people to non binary is actually delusional ngl.
like actually disrespectful to people who are intersex
DdoggyVII [#2]What are ur thoughts
The reason this comment has dislikes is because society cannot have conversations anymore without discourse.
Vegaaa [#55]If you dont know a persons gender, you were able to call THEM a they or a them back then. what the fuck are you talking about
it was a temporary word. it's not a permanent thing to call someone
Devanshhhhhh [#86]Arguing over a 2d character is sick man there are more important things to argue about like replay system, shit rank and cosmetics lmao...
Valorant is a 3d game.
simo98 [#3]Never say it's Valo community
It's western community
Asia will never take that part
i literally live in the west and no one gives af about trans bro. everyone here are really annoyed about trans. Its only the ones with clout and have a reputation that actually care about them(unless u are weird which there are a few ppl who are weird and believe in trans)
Sir_Johnny123 [#87]Valorant is a 3d game.
Whatever fictional characters do not exist irl there are more important things to argue about in game and out of game
Devanshhhhhh [#89]Whatever fictional characters do not exist irl there are more important things to argue about in game and out of game
non-binary people dont exist IRL ???
Sir_Johnny123 [#90]non-binary people dont exist IRL ???
He said "fictional characters do not exist irl", like clove, where does non-binary ppl come outta nowhere...
Dont make us believe that EU edu = NA edu
siniota [#91]He said "fictional characters do not exist irl", like clove, where does non-binary ppl come outta nowhere...
Dont make us believe that EU edu = NA edu
Clove is only being talked about for the way they identify as. The arguement is based solely around Non-binary people, not why someone is called clove.
are you dumb?
Sir_Johnny123 [#92]Clove is only being talked about for the way they identify as. The arguement is based solely around Non-binary people, not why someone is called clove.
are you dumb?
I may be dumb but not dumb enough to think he stated/meant "non-binary ppl dont exist irl".
TakoSaki [#7]people who get upset over clove getting misgendered need to grow up
likewise people who do it on purpose also need to grow up
its a useless PR move that just creates drama tho
its a useless PR move that just creates drama tho
Exactly, this is exactly the problem, you know people won't agree in their politics so why bring it up in the first place?
SAMPV6 [#94]its a useless PR move that just creates drama tho
Exactly, this is exactly the problem, you know people won't agree in their politics so why bring it up in the first place?
they want to seem like they have 'representation' in their game as if it really matters
DdoggyVII [#2]What are ur thoughts
Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
jony1234512345 [#96]Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
upvote. NOW.
jony1234512345 [#96]Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
Are they even forcing it though? Apart from the leaks all Riot has done is use they/them in a few instances and that’s it.
simo98 [#3]Never say it's Valo community
It's western community
Asia will never take that part
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goofyahh1447 [#102]Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's). Also, "Bart's Fart & Shart" doesn't make any sense because the store wasn't called "Feed & Sheed" under Sneed's ownership so stop posting it.
relax liberals, It's dark humor
Ross [#84]The reason this comment has dislikes is because society cannot have conversations anymore without discourse.
Wise af Statement my G... #1984 #WhatTheyDontWantYouToSay
jony1234512345 [#96]Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
calling a company brainwashed is a braindead AF take( they only care about money) and everyone deserves respect lmao saying its crazy to "make people respect you" is so stupid.
simo98 [#60]Yes it's exist and then ?
We never making drama for kinda things
That's the problem with western everything need to be accepted with their ideology
bro riot's only ideology is money get the idea that they care about anything else out of your fucking head, like look at mercedes in the 1930s
tomato211222 [#13]That's the most dumb take I have seen this just proves propaganda from riot which shuts down half your arguments
tomato, riot is a company. they only care about money.
Wtakesonly12 [#85]it was a temporary word. it's not a permanent thing to call someone
thats braindead
siniota [#93]I may be dumb but not dumb enough to think he stated/meant "non-binary ppl dont exist irl".
Lmao I just said that Clove is a fictional character call it whatever u want there should be no controversy over a damn fictional character
siniota [#91]He said "fictional characters do not exist irl", like clove, where does non-binary ppl come outta nowhere...
Dont make us believe that EU edu = NA edu
I'm Indian and these things don't exist here atleast as much as in western world when we call in game we usually use agent names so yeah doesnt affect me at all
Blaezey [#100]Are they even forcing it though? Apart from the leaks all Riot has done is use they/them in a few instances and that’s it.
yep a whole bunch of people are forcing it
and content creaters and streamers are practically forced to follow it, even though some of them dont agree or their gonna get canceled
Psion [#107]tomato, riot is a company. they only care about money.
this is a gamble move though no? sure they attract some lgbt people but at the same time many people get mad at the game and result in chat ban and game ban.
also some people are quitting over this too
Kebone [#33]intersex and nonbinary people have existed for thousands of years wdym it wasnt a thing until a few years ago
it wasnt made popular and a big deal until a few years ago
RedVal_ [#44]why do people care so much? like them being non binary hurts exactly no one and only supports people in the community that they come from?
it goes against some people's beliefs and practices, and quite a large portion of people too
smthlikeyou11 [#112]this is a gamble move though no? sure they attract some lgbt people but at the same time many people get mad at the game and result in chat ban and game ban.
also some people are quitting over this too
bro nobody that put money into valorant is quitting over this lol. like if you get mad at riot for this womp womp its 2024 not 1864
xelto1 [#115]It's only NA tbh, i don't think Asia or EMEA ( especially middle East ) would give two fucks about cloves gender
middle eastern countries especially dont accept LBGTQ
Psion [#116]bro nobody that put money into valorant is quitting over this lol. like if you get mad at riot for this womp womp its 2024 not 1864
nah i can definitely tell theres gonna be a few albeit little
ive spent like a shit ton of money on this game but idc if its a nonbinary character unless my tm8s dont force me what to call clove
smthlikeyou11 [#119]nah i can definitely tell theres gonna be a few albeit little
ive spent like a shit ton of money on this game but idc if its a nonbinary character unless my tm8s dont force me what to call clove
bro if you call clove she, he, they whatever. it is a worse comm than saying clove.
Psion [#120]bro if you call clove she, he, they whatever. it is a worse comm than saying clove.
yea i usually say clove unless shes like last alive or smth then i js do it out of habit
literally no one gives a single fuck if i call jett a he
but i call clove a he and all of a sudden im transphobic and misgendering
smthlikeyou11 [#122]yea i usually say clove unless shes like last alive or smth then i js do it out of habit
literally no one gives a single fuck if i call jett a he
but i call clove a he and all of a sudden im transphobic and misgendering
i mean in game no one cares lol
Psion [#123]i mean in game no one cares lol
i havent seen anyone really persistently pushing others to call clove their preferred pronoun but sometimes theyll get out of their way to try to correct u
smthlikeyou11 [#124]i havent seen anyone really persistently pushing others to call clove their preferred pronoun but sometimes theyll get out of their way to try to correct u
i mean i've done it once per game because some people just don't know but besides that idc
Psion [#106]bro riot's only ideology is money get the idea that they care about anything else out of your fucking head, like look at mercedes in the 1930s
I'm not interested about Mercedes so idk
simo98 [#126]I'm not interested about Mercedes so idk
yk who was in power during the 30s in germany? that should help
smthlikeyou11 [#114]it goes against some people's beliefs and practices, and quite a large portion of people too
all these people want is to be acknowledged and respected, and as a minority they deserve some sort of representation. I get it being against their beliefs but its not like these people are going anywhere so everyone may as well learn to accept them
Psion [#128]yk who was in power during the 30s in germany? that should help
Oh dark history about Mercedes and nazi ?
Then what the correlation about that ?
China own riot from tencent
Right now, how can be it's gonna be same ?
Oh that because china is the one put that ideology ??
Then it's gonna western problem that cannot handle it
RedVal_ [#129]all these people want is to be acknowledged and respected, and as a minority they deserve some sort of representation. I get it being against their beliefs but its not like these people are going anywhere so everyone may as well learn to accept them
people have the right to not acknowledge something that they dont believe is right
if people start acknowledging them, it starts going down a slippery slope, and not everyone is going to accept that.
We accept u for being gay or whatever but we also hold the right to call ur pronouns by ur biological sex.
we are not demanding u to change, just demanding that if i respect u, u also have to hold the same mutual respect of ME and my choices that i dont want to acknowledge ur "new" pronouns
smthlikeyou11 [#131]people have the right to not acknowledge something that they dont believe is right
if people start acknowledging them, it starts going down a slippery slope, and not everyone is going to accept that.
We accept u for being gay or whatever but we also hold the right to call ur pronouns by ur biological sex.
we are not demanding u to change, just demanding that if i respect u, u also have to hold the same mutual respect of ME and my choices that i dont want to acknowledge ur "new" pronouns
I can see where you're coming from and all but is it really that crazy to just respect another human being? I just can't understand why these beliefs are worth more to you than another human, like you dont have to like it but you just have to use two different words
RedVal_ [#132]I can see where you're coming from and all but is it really that crazy to just respect another human being? I just can't understand why these beliefs are worth more to you than another human, like you dont have to like it but you just have to use two different words
i want to respect them but if i do i would compromise my OWN beliefs. To me their not worth me compromising my moral values and worldviews over, i just live and let live. Do i hate them because of their sexuality? no. Do i hope they get better and recover? yes. why is this such a hard thing for people to accept?
smthlikeyou11 [#133]i want to respect them but if i do i would compromise my OWN beliefs. To me their not worth me compromising my moral values and worldviews over, i just live and let live. Do i hate them because of their sexuality? no. Do i hope they get better and recover? yes. why is this such a hard thing for people to accept?
What is this fight all about?
smthlikeyou11 [#133]i want to respect them but if i do i would compromise my OWN beliefs. To me their not worth me compromising my moral values and worldviews over, i just live and let live. Do i hate them because of their sexuality? no. Do i hope they get better and recover? yes. why is this such a hard thing for people to accept?
Do I hope they get better and recover? yes
do you view people that identify with the lqbtqia+ movement as mentally ill?
Devanshhhhhh [#134]What is this fight all about?
I don't really view this as a fight just a friendly debate or convo
smthlikeyou11 [#111]yep a whole bunch of people are forcing it
and content creaters and streamers are practically forced to follow it, even though some of them dont agree or their gonna get canceled
Really? I haven’t been watching too many streamers recently but the ones that I have watched don’t really care that much unless people are being obnoxious in chat. I also dont feel like people are ‘getting cancelled’ at all from this but I could be wrong.
RedVal_ [#135]Do I hope they get better and recover? yes
do you view people that identify with the lqbtqia+ movement as mentally ill?
yes. I believe that humans were made to reproduce, which is what our reproductive system is for.
sure, a minority that doesnt reproduce wouldnt hurt, and many that are straight still dont reproduce anyway.
however that doesnt change the fact that it is WRONG.
to my beliefs we were created to have offspring for generations.
Feeling that i should be a female when i was born as a male is just wrong.
It's not about what u feel, that feeling is a false psychological feeling.
If I FEEL like i shuold've been born as a wild lion roaming in the wild so i spent all day trying to practice lion sounds and lion movements and live life butt naked in the jungle crawling on my all fours, but no im mentally stable and totally fine i was just trapped in the wrong body and this is how i really feel! My pronouns are _____whatever bs idek at this point. take a look and reconsider in hindsight if that is a mentally sane character. and if u dont accept me for who i am than ur transphobic and disrespecting me and discriminating me and ur making me not feel not included.
this whole thing is js bs lmao
I have nothing but sympathy for LBGTQ people, however mentally sane people that SUPPORT the movement is something i have 0 sympathy for.
simo98 [#130]Oh dark history about Mercedes and nazi ?
Then what the correlation about that ?
China own riot from tencent
Right now, how can be it's gonna be same ?
Oh that because china is the one put that ideology ??
Then it's gonna western problem that cannot handle it
the correlation was that companies will do anything they can if it gets them money
smthlikeyou11 [#138]yes. I believe that humans were made to reproduce, which is what our reproductive system is for.
sure, a minority that doesnt reproduce wouldnt hurt, and many that are straight still dont reproduce anyway.
however that doesnt change the fact that it is WRONG.
to my beliefs we were created to have offspring for generations.
Feeling that i should be a female when i was born as a male is just wrong.
It's not about what u feel, that feeling is a false psychological feeling.
If I FEEL like i shuold've been born as a wild lion roaming in the wild so i spent all day trying to practice lion sounds and lion movements and live life butt naked in the jungle crawling on my all fours, but no im mentally stable and totally fine i was just trapped in the wrong body and this is how i really feel! My pronouns are _____whatever bs idek at this point. take a look and reconsider in hindsight if that is a mentally sane character. and if u dont accept me for who i am than ur transphobic and disrespecting me and discriminating me and ur making me not feel not included.
this whole thing is js bs lmaoI have nothing but sympathy for LBGTQ people, however mentally sane people that SUPPORT the movement is something i have 0 sympathy for.
people always take things to far, like the lion example its just silly at that point, but these people don't feel comfortable in their own skin? Like we can't imagine a feeling like that and the best thing we can do for another HUMAN BEING is support them
RedVal_ [#140]people always take things to far, like the lion example its just silly at that point, but these people don't feel comfortable in their own skin? Like we can't imagine a feeling like that and the best thing we can do for another HUMAN BEING is support them
the lion example is silly, thats no doubt. but to us the gender thing is just as silly. the best thing we can do is to provide hormornal treatment and therapy
Psion [#139]the correlation was that companies will do anything they can if it gets them money
Then it's fine as long he get money on that (that's exactly how business work).
U know when wild rift make event LGBT ??? wild rift Singapore not even release the event, the put another gacha event instead.
Riot know how to handle it so don't worry about that.
simo98 [#142]Then it's fine as long he get money on that (that's exactly how business work).
U know when wild rift make event LGBT ??? wild rift Singapore not even release the event, the put another gacha event instead.
Riot know how to handle it so don't worry about that.
riot is a western company and i quote you saying "That's the problem with western everything need to be accepted with their ideology"
so you were saying riot cares abotu ideology which is wrong
Psion [#139]the correlation was that companies will do anything they can if it gets them money
Wait I wanna clean the mess up in here
So what's the point about this Convo tho ?
I know riot really want put some LGBT characters (because money impression) and we not much care about it (as asia people).
And the drama all along from western, so I put the line this LGBT drama as asia people will not cross the line about this and we don't care about it.
Then u came just comment my point like I don't know what the point what's riot want ???
simo98 [#144]Wait I wanna clean the mess up in here
So what's the point about this Convo tho ?
I know riot really want put some LGBT characters (because money impression) and we not much care about it (as asia people).
And the drama all along from western, so I put the line this LGBT drama as asia people will not cross the line about this and we don't care about it.
Then u came just comment my point like I don't know what the point what's riot want ???
im p sure i just read what you said wrong because there aren't any commas, all good
smthlikeyou11 [#141]the lion example is silly, thats no doubt. but to us the gender thing is just as silly. the best thing we can do is to provide hormornal treatment and therapy
then if we are saying something being "silly" is relative, who are you to judge someone else? I know it may be an extreme comparison but think back to not even two centuries ago when black people were suppressed and under represented and villainized. while I'm not directly comparing them these are very similar events in our history, and I really think It's unfair to not allow these people to be represented in media, if you went back this same sort of debate would have happened if a black person was featured on the cover of a newspaper or magazine. I just don't think blanketing all of people that identify under the lgbtqia+ movement as mentally ill is fair, Its not like they are forcing us to be gay or transgender, so what harm are they doing? homosexuality has been around since ancient greece, so just because society is getting more accepting doesn't mean people are also getting more mentally ill.
Psion [#145]im p sure i just read what you said wrong because there aren't any commas, all good
Alright then
RedVal_ [#146]then if we are saying something being "silly" is relative, who are you to judge someone else? I know it may be an extreme comparison but think back to not even two centuries ago when black people were suppressed and under represented and villainized. while I'm not directly comparing them these are very similar events in our history, and I really think It's unfair to not allow these people to be represented in media, if you went back this same sort of debate would have happened if a black person was featured on the cover of a newspaper or magazine. I just don't think blanketing all of people that identify under the lgbtqia+ movement as mentally ill is fair, Its not like they are forcing us to be gay or transgender, so what harm are they doing? homosexuality has been around since ancient greece, so just because society is getting more accepting doesn't mean people are also getting more mentally ill.
i am no one to judge someone else, they are just as human as i am.
In hindsight obviously racism towards any group of people is wrong.
however, gender dysphoria is a PROVEN mental illness.
i actually have nothing against lgbtq people, as i have stated before
i just refuse to acknowledge that it is right
is there any harm i am doing not acknowledging them? no.
the same argument goes both ways.
Why cant we just coexist?
You are trying to force 2 kinds of people who dont mesh well toghether toghether.
lgbt people deserve to be represented on media just the same as people who have depression, anxiety, etc
i have never claimed homosexuality have originated recently
smthlikeyou11 [#148]i am no one to judge someone else, they are just as human as i am.
In hindsight obviously racism towards any group of people is wrong.
however, gender dysphoria is a PROVEN mental illness.
i actually have nothing against lgbtq people, as i have stated before
i just refuse to acknowledge that it is right
is there any harm i am doing not acknowledging them? no.
the same argument goes both ways.
Why cant we just coexist?
You are trying to force 2 kinds of people who dont mesh well toghether toghether.
lgbt people deserve to be represented on media just the same as people who have depression, anxiety, etc
i have never claimed homosexuality have originated recently
Why cant we just coexist?
sorry for the short response I really have to get to sleep, I'll come back to this tomorrow.
That's all they want? non binary people just want to be accepted right? so why is it a big deal that there is one In a game? I know you said beliefs and all but there are plenty of religious character in media, even though they go against other peoples beliefs, so why would we treat non binary people any other way?
Psion [#121]and im jewish what of it
I asked because lgbt is haram so why would he apologise for something against his religion
Wtakesonly12 [#118]snap back into reality.
english speaking transphobes when you have to teach them english
RedVal_ [#44]why do people care so much? like them being non binary hurts exactly no one and only supports people in the community that they come from?
these people are trash that's why lol
jiancik [#48]What's so hard about accepting oneself or going to psychologist?
Psychology exist??? Where? Oh right, US fail in geography
0fcuZ [#98]Don't want to be political, but this is a political move by riot, not all westerners force this kind of idea upon others but mostly L1b3r4L$.
I always think that Liberal is bullshit, too much freedom create chaos and too strict lead to authoritarian.
Vegaaa [#152]english speaking transphobes when you have to teach them english
its not transphobic to have a different viewpoint lmao
Psion [#105]calling a company brainwashed is a braindead AF take( they only care about money) and everyone deserves respect lmao saying its crazy to "make people respect you" is so stupid.
respect is earned not bought, when you force other people will they respect you? if anyone want respect then at least don't be a weirdos
jony1234512345 [#96]Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
what does forcing it on to others really mean tho
iframedeez [#159]respect is earned not bought, when you force other people will they respect you? if anyone want respect then at least don't be a weirdos
but if you know nothing about another person, your default should be showing them respect lmao
Psion [#162]but if you know nothing about another person, your default should be showing them respect lmao
likewise, no? is it that hard to grasp ig
Rey55 [#8]It's so that you learn how to address non-binary people in real life. Whether you agree with it or not, this is a good and effective way to make this mainstream.
I will never address non binary with how they want. I will call them What I want to. Fuck them
qwertyuiop123456 [#161]Adding non binary agent that splits community >>>>> replay system
ADD A REPLAY SYSTEM LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME
My man. Straight to the point 🗿🗿🗿
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