imagine if this tournament truly had the best teams, we have FPX who legit look like a T2 team, region doesn't even deserve 2 spots
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anyth1ng [#5]if u remove their spots they wont develop, brainless take
They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
taejuny [#6]They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
And you can't do anything lol. Riot is Chinese company. And region got official just last year still. And scrims alone don't help in improving. You have to wait as long as china wants. Also they have already improved so fast. Lol they would beat most of pacific even without good macro.
taejuny [#6]They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
Game was barely launched recently. Chill out dude
taejuny [#6]They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
the players who’ve been playing since 2020 arent the problem its these damn coaches and igls who have one dimensional ideas
when you have a good system like with After and Haodong in EDG these CN teams will actually look good
kaibe8 [#9]FPX would have beat half of the teams in Americas and EMEA leagues, that is not tier 2 gameplay.
If you don't know anything it's better to stop waffling
It's insane ppl trashing on fpx so hard when they literally played kc and loud. What other team would win in this position that's not already in Madrid.
kaibe8 [#9]FPX would have beat half of the teams in Americas and EMEA leagues, that is not tier 2 gameplay.
If you don't know anything it's better to stop waffling
i disageree with the premise of spots on china being wasted, but your counterpoint is just bad, fpx beating half of the teams in EMEA and americas, or being .500, is not good enough for an international event
Ullyr [#7]It's like 1 of 8 teams. Removing their spot they won't developed. Fpx played loud and kc give them a break man most teams aren't gonna beat those 2.
ikr they lost 13-11 with 0 pistols against LOUD...we aint playing 100T here, these guys gotta chill
Psion [#14]i disageree with the premise of spots on china being wasted, but your counterpoint is just bad, fpx beating half of the teams in EMEA and americas, or being .500, is not good enough for an international event
what I mean by that is, the gap between the regions is not as big as people like to claim.
so if we compare FPX with say the 3rd best team from EMEA or Americas who would get the spot instead, FPX would have good chances to beat a EG or FNC
taejuny [#6]They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
apac has 0 trophies, should we take them out as well?
NioMS [#16]8 team tournaments are just stupid tbh so it's impssible to give China 1 and another region 3
When it's 12 teams it should be 4-3-3-2 tho like last year
But this year they absolutely gave 3 slots each to all the regions and masters madrid winner still needs to qualify for Shanghai through stage 1
kaibe8 [#17]what I mean by that is, the gap between the regions is not as big as people like to claim.
so if we compare FPX with say the 3rd best team from EMEA or Americas who would get the spot instead, FPX would have good chances to beat a EG or FNC
FPX would have a good chance to beat EG but EG aren't even top 5 in Americas, and they would lose to FNC in a similar way to how they lost to KC, 2 close maps
taejuny [#6]They’ve had teams and org support since 2020 as well as tournaments and scrimming with kr/jp/sea for years how much longer do we have to wait for the region to develop?
EDIT: my point is to stop with the "they just need more time to get better" counterpoint. If time was all it takes for teams to develop then orgs like V1 would be world champs by now(the teams that started as soon as val was released) I don't think taking away all their spots is something that should be done but just saying they need more time is dumb and not a solution to the complaint ppl have competitively watching these teams lose
Also the argument that teams HAVE to play in these tourneys as the only way to gain experience is false. These teams need better analysts and coaches to watch these matches and implement the things they see. China had years to watch vct don't use that as a one size fits all arguments winner
the matchfixing scandal sort if killed the Chinese Valorant scene in 2021 tbh. A lot of orgs withdrew and KK played on a Taiwanese org at one point
Psion [#22]FPX would have a good chance to beat EG but EG aren't even top 5 in Americas, and they would lose to FNC in a similar way to how they lost to KC, 2 close maps
- how are EG not top 5 americas
- that is my point they are about the same level as the best teams from EMEA and Americas that are not in Madrid rn, so given a year I think china would essentially be at the same level
kaibe8 [#25]
- how are EG not top 5 americas
- that is my point they are about the same level as the best teams from EMEA and Americas that are not in Madrid rn, so given a year I think china would essentially be at the same level
- SEN, LOUD, NRG, LEV, 100T(no order)
- You said "they have a good chance to beat FNC" which I am saying they don't, a close 2-0 is still a 2-0 and if FPX wins 1 of those 2 maps FNC wins the 3rd won comfortably
Psion [#26]
- SEN, LOUD, NRG, LEV, 100T(no order)
- You said "they have a good chance to beat FNC" which I am saying they don't, a close 2-0 is still a 2-0 and if FPX wins 1 of those 2 maps FNC wins the 3rd won comfortably
on a good day FPX beats FNC
Mortadelo [#10]Game was barely launched recently. Chill out dude
even tho the game didnt release officially till now they've had teams like edg, TOE, and totoro playing for years(2020/2021) longer than some orgs that are T1 in other regions
kaibe8 [#27]on a good day FPX beats FNC
no they do not. They make so many mistakes and FNC have boaster who knows how to exploit mistakes
Psion [#29]no they do not. They make so many mistakes and FNC have boaster who knows how to exploit mistakes
I feel like if FNC are not on top of their game they would just get overwhelmed by FPX
kaibe8 [#30]I feel like if FNC are not on top of their game they would just get overwhelmed by FPX
this happens because FPX are mUCh better mechanically than a lot of teams, but FNC have derke, chronicle, alfajer, and leo lol
taejuny [#28]even tho the game didnt release officially till now they've had teams like edg, TOE, and totoro playing for years(2020/2021) longer than some orgs that are T1 in other regions
Sure but the player base is not the same if you need a VPN, talent pool and interest is not nearly as big as it is now
kaibe8 [#9]FPX would have beat half of the teams in Americas and EMEA leagues, that is not tier 2 gameplay.
If you don't know anything it's better to stop waffling
i disagree with the post but fpx definitely not beating half of americas/emea. probably bottom 3 team
TriQo [#11]the players who’ve been playing since 2020 arent the problem its these damn coaches and igls who have one dimensional ideas
when you have a good system like with After and Haodong in EDG these CN teams will actually look good
Hard agree youre telling me these teams have had "coaches" analyzing top-tier tournaments for years without implementing standards on their team? if a team gets stomped on the international stage, whats the point if the players don't learn anything and the support staff don't fix their mistakes?
Halleluhwah [#19]apac has 0 trophies, should we take them out as well?
apac has had multiple podium finishes in international tourneys nice bait. Also Americas>FNC>APAC>EU
thejanitor [#23]the matchfixing scandal sort if killed the Chinese Valorant scene in 2021 tbh. A lot of orgs withdrew and KK played on a Taiwanese org at one point
cant blame that one on other people its unfortunate but it is what happened
taejuny [#28]even tho the game didnt release officially till now they've had teams like edg, TOE, and totoro playing for years(2020/2021) longer than some orgs that are T1 in other regions
bro, this is not CS, we don't want a major being 22 of 24 teams being western.
Asia needs time and opportunities, even if they are bad.
anyth1ng [#5]if u remove their spots they wont develop, brainless take
why care about developing a doghsit region that's never been good
wasting spots on chinese teams is braindead, they are literally free wins for whoever is playing against them
kaibe8 [#9]FPX would have beat half of the teams in Americas and EMEA leagues, that is not tier 2 gameplay.
If you don't know anything it's better to stop waffling
LEV, NRG, shit even 100T can prob beat FPX lmao
kamisavitar [#20]if a T2 can put Loud on verge of 13-11.
Im Sorry Bro Americas and evry region is done for.
what a brain dead take, and loud look terrible rn too
TheLoque [#33]Some teams are bound to lose 2 matches, if it's not fpx, it'll be other teams
its not about their losses, its about how they lose, did you even watch their games, 0 teamplay, their mid round is awful, it legit looks like a ranked game
Liotakla [#8]And you can't do anything lol. Riot is Chinese company. And region got official just last year still. And scrims alone don't help in improving. You have to wait as long as china wants. Also they have already improved so fast. Lol they would beat most of pacific even without good macro.
So playing in an international tourney against a team from another region helps, but scrimming against a team from another region doesn't? Also I'm not for riot taking away Chinese slots(they wont ever do that anyways because of tencent)
taejuny [#36]apac has had multiple podium finishes in international tourneys nice bait. Also Americas>FNC>APAC>EU
ok go caveman mode then
dandann [#45]Kinda like LCS no? NA doesn't deserve a spot in league of legends but riot still give them spots
agree
X6MCOMP [#40]LEV, NRG, shit even 100T can prob beat FPX lmao
they can, but they can also lose it would be very close i think
TriQo [#11]the players who’ve been playing since 2020 arent the problem its these damn coaches and igls who have one dimensional ideas
when you have a good system like with After and Haodong in EDG these CN teams will actually look good
Edg needs more analysts ig💀 right again
X6MCOMP [#41]what a brain dead take, and loud look terrible rn too
spoke too soon, they still shat on EDG lol
jamONE [#49]spoke too soon, they still shat on EDG lol
ofc they did, shitting on EDG is not something to be happy over lol, loud's worst form is better than EDG's best form
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