Who is the GOAT

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balax

like title says who is THE GOAT
GOAT like THE GOAT, like undisputed like faker, jordan(lebron) whoever you like

none of, oh he is a goat, i dont want one of the greatest i want THE GREATEST

and who do you think can possibly be THE GOAT in the future, personally i think zekken

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mwzera

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Mitochondrial

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LMAOOOOO LISTEN TO THE GUY AHHAHAAHAHAH

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STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while) cNed - stats not availiable TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches) TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world Despite his insane aim and movement The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze aspas? not good with raze xand? not good with raze tenz? not good with raze cned? not good with raze scream? not good with raze d3ffo? not good with raze derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :> He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

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W take

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aspas not good with raze? What are you smoking?

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green 🍀 or maybe hes smoking tabacco

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I was today years old when I learned Steel has a pro match on Jett lmao

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4 years from now i will enter t1 and my team will win it all, hopefully i will be the goat, if i ever do become a pro, my name will be miniTenZ

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BairyHalls

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🤭

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Karon = faker
faker young new mechanically talented rookie took skt to go on huge win streak
faker appeared in season 3 league
karon young new mechanically talented rookie takes geng to go on huge win streak
karon appeared in season 3 valorant

you'll see when geng wins madrid

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balax

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yeah but what has karon won, you cant be THE goat and not win anything, even if he wins madrid, there are more experienced players who have a better shout at being THE goat then him

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Ullyr

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faker didn't win anything prior to season 3...

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The answer is undoubtedly Demon1, and it's not even close. Zekken is good but he doesn't have it in him to attain the goat status. TenZ has a higher probability than zekken in terms of longivity.

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balax

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im gonna lie, nah it isnt him he has had 1 good year and like the game is rather new so i cant give demon1 THE goat status

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Tenzir Tenz Rajesh

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Demon1 got clapped by the real goat.

Mwzera

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Alfajer or Mako

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balax

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mako?
what the polar bear doing in texas

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Taekawr

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4 years is a lil too less to be having a GOAT conversation, no? or is that just me?

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Just you, cs2 is 6 months old and donk is already the goat

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Taekawr

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Because of that one tournament he popped off at? I'd like to look at consistency over one hit wonders. But again, back to my initial point. Too early to tell. The actual "Greatest of All Time" may not even be a pro yet xD.

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Itsover

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donk is the greatest player to ever touch cs, he's been the best itw since last August

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Taekawr

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At least give it a couple of years man xD. Lets say he falls off the next few tournaments cuz players figured out how he plays. You'd still think he's the goat or you'll jump on another band wagon that's currently trending?

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common its0ver russian dicksucking but unfortunately u r speaking the truth this time

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Me. But if were going second place prolly saadhak

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balax

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i really like this answer, saadhak has been there everytime, people will doubt him and he will just come out swinging again

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Chronicle

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balax

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yeah i get what you mean and i love fnatic but i have to half and half agree cuz yes he has the most trophies but even on gambit he was the 2nd/3rd best player same on fnatic. if you get my point. nothing on chronicle, love the guy but like i cant say he is THE goat

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You must be trolling

He plays the most difficult role on the team and has always put up great performances especially in important matches

On Gambit he was top 2 at least in Fnatic he's easily a top 3 player.

This narrative needs to die since Chronicle has been insane and insanely important in every single trophy he has won.

Just go back and check how many bad games he has ever had in international playoff matches it's almost none.

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the person creating this thread got some issues

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cNed

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but why do you bother trying to emphasize a serious GOAT debate and then proceed to say Zekken because he has the potential, its like bringing up Shai as the GOAT of the NBA when ppl are saying MJ, Lebron, etc.

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Taekawr

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Exactly. T_T

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balax

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the zekken point is like a seperate point if im being honest. but i get what you mean

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Tenz

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balax

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i was half thinking about him when typing this out but also not really at the same time, like he had a good first year then things have been downhill ever since he was the first one people declared as a GOAT but i dont see it personally

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Zephyros

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nah he had potential but sadly last 2 yrs were rough

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Saadhak

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NioMS

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It's easily Chronicle
Most trophies
Insane performances in big games
Insane flexibility
Pivotal part of 2 of our best teams of all time (Gambit and Fnatic)
Had a year where circumstances outside of his control hindered him.
Dumb narrative to say he got carried since it's straight up not true - > the stats don't lie he's always one of the top rated player at international events

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n4rrate

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Shawn23

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don’t think you can really call anyone the goat, but if there’s one player who’s probably been the best It’s Aspas.

World champion, Best player on his team for multiple years, bros just a demon.

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NioMS

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The only trophy he won was with 4 other demons on his team in their prime

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Shawn23

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he was still the best player on his team that year and in 2023 and in 2024 so what r u gonna say

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GUTSval

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this game is still too new for anyone to be called a goat, only the 2nd year of partnership. That aside hands down probably has to be aspas right? This guys been a top 2 player for multiple years, won champs, consistently at international events, always feels like he can win whenever he’s playing.

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saadhak made him lmao

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GUTSval

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aspas been farming for saadhak since Pancada e amigos and before that, but yeah he made him you’re right!!

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dapada

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me when i have no idea how the game works

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yeah you're one smart individual

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Only answer should be Less

best viper itw + top 2 kj itw + top 5 cypher itw

champion at 17 years old

Literally top 3-5 players almost every year

GOAT

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Moatz
(Goat of vlr)

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my goat skrossi

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crashies

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you know ball

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Messi

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crashies or derke

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valid

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There has not been any 1 consistently dominant player that has lead their team to win multiple championships lasting more than a year.

The closest we had to a dynasty is fnatic's 2-peat of lock in and masters tokyo. Even that didn't last for more than 1 year and also although mostly a joke, the legitimacy of lock in being called a major event is still debatable amongst the community for it's horrific format.

If we take it from fnatic's most consistent and best performing player during that time then the goat is either
Leo or Derke.

Obviously it does feel weird and many people would argue but yeah that's the best you can get when the game is simply just too young.
Basically there is not yet any real one true GOAT that the majority of people in the valorant esports community can agree on

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Inf1Nity

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Scares me a lot ppl saying short/recent peak players over ASPAS in a "greatest of ALL TIME" discussion. Lol

Best itw + wolrd Champions in 2022
And he is always in "best itw" discussions since then

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Inf1Nity

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And as a alternative pick, there's no other option but LESS, by the same arguments. In all this aspas era, some ppl put him above aspas

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0fcuZ

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I started to vod review his game as viper main but there are only few videos online 😭

Rito pls make reply system