tmv on sen

do you think what he said was valid?

didn’t watch playing elden ring again sorry

of course not, mans is a yapper

danii1 [#3]

of course not, mans is a yapper

bro was yapping about sen not being good on 4 maps which completely false

I def think so. Some SEN fans are way too unrealistic. SEN are def good but they have holes when it comes to map pool fs. But im sure they can fix it.

KRATOSmimir21 [#5]

I def think so. Some SEN fans are way too unrealistic. SEN are def good but they have holes when it comes to map pool fs. But im sure they can fix it.

their only bad maps is ascent and breeze and the mistakes they make on the map is fixable

TheAceGamer30 [#6]

their only bad maps is ascent and breeze and the mistakes they make on the map is fixable

I more so agree on the fact SEN have 3 Great, 2 good, and 2 mid maps. And their 2 good which are Bind and Icebox aren't far from being great.

kinda right tbh, as much as i love sen their map pool really isnt all that

He has a point. 2-7 record on every map not named sunset split or lotus is shockingly bad

KRATOSmimir21 [#7]

I more so agree on the fact SEN have 3 Great, 2 good, and 2 mid maps. And their 2 good which are Bind and Icebox aren't far from being great.

SEN is also just abusing the raze maps more than the jett maps, which to be fair, has done SEN justice. however, SEN kinda needs to find their footing on maps than NEED a jett to do jett things

jmssucksatvalorant [#10]

SEN is also just abusing the raze maps more than the jett maps, which to be fair, has done SEN justice. however, SEN kinda needs to find their footing on maps than NEED a jett to do jett things

raze is the meta in 4/7 maps so all they need to do is ban the jett maps to win lol

valkin [#8]

kinda right tbh, as much as i love sen their map pool really isnt all that

no teams map pool is good as its early days of 2024 season

Asuna_Yuuki [#9]

He has a point. 2-7 record on every map not named sunset split or lotus is shockingly bad

they won on ascent and breeze before and their mistakes are fixable

TheAceGamer30 [#12]

no teams map pool is good as its early days of 2024 season

KC have very good map pool

I seriously can’t think of any map besides maybe sunset that they look weak on

reading off the comments i can guarantee you that you didn't watch the video at all so why do you bother making threads like these just for attention. actually watch the video and understand his points instead of looking like a 10 year old for the 100th time, because the points he makes literally answer all of the questions you've been asking here word for word.

TheAceGamer30 [#13]

they won on ascent and breeze before and their mistakes are fixable

he isnt saying their mistakes arent fixable tho, and compared to kc their map pool is worse

TheAceGamer30 [#13]

they won on ascent and breeze before and their mistakes are fixable

They got dominated all of their games on ascent and breeze except vs MIBR

You can’t just chalk that down to simple mistakes

There is obviously a way bigger problem

TheAceGamer30 [#11]

raze is the meta in 4/7 maps so all they need to do is ban the jett maps to win lol

true, but its gonna be anti-stratted at some point. coz if we want Zekken to be the 'best' duelist, he has to have a good jett showing. rn, Zekken is moreso known as the best 'raze' itw, just like tenz is the best 'omen' in the world.

cartixuzi [#15]

reading off the comments i can guarantee you that you didn't watch the video at all so why do you bother making threads like these just for attention. actually watch the video and understand his points instead of looking like a 10 year old for the 100th time, because the points he makes literally answer all of the questions you've been asking here word for word.

did i say he was wrong lol? i only disagreed with sen not having 4 maps cus they do

Asuna_Yuuki [#14]

KC have very good map pool

I seriously can’t think of any map besides maybe sunset that they look weak on

bind and lotus they did lose on

jmssucksatvalorant [#18]

true, but its gonna be anti-stratted at some point. coz if we want Zekken to be the 'best' duelist, he has to have a good jett showing. rn, Zekken is moreso known as the best 'raze' itw, just like tenz is the best 'omen' in the world.

i believe they can do it they have the time to prepare

jmssucksatvalorant [#10]

SEN is also just abusing the raze maps more than the jett maps, which to be fair, has done SEN justice. however, SEN kinda needs to find their footing on maps than NEED a jett to do jett things

guys this might be a wild take but i feel like putting tyson on jett only for icebox and zekks on sova(they needed a drone big time even fns said it)

so roles are
tyson-jett
zekken-sova
john-viper
sacy-gekko
zellsis-kayo/kj?

thoughts?
i can just feel like tenz has amazing defense holds on a site and also he can op crutch (zekken op shots missing a lot) zekken can enter better but tenz can op better

it all comes down to one or the other

Asuna_Yuuki [#17]

They got dominated all of their games on ascent and breeze except vs MIBR

You can’t just chalk that down to simple mistakes

There is obviously a way bigger problem

its too early to say that though like how its too early to count out nrg

TheAceGamer30 [#20]

bind and lotus they did lose on

They still won a vast majority of their maps on both of those maps

KC lost 5 maps during their run while SEN lost 9 maps

Bald_man [#22]

guys this might be a wild take but i feel like putting tyson on jett only for icebox and zekks on sova(they needed a drone big time even fns said it)

so roles are
tyson-jett
zekken-sova
john-viper
sacy-gekko
zellsis-kayo/kj?

thoughts?
i can just feel like tenz has amazing defense holds on a site and also he can op crutch (zekken op shots missing a lot) zekken can enter better but tenz can op better

it all comes down to one or the other

i would love to see tenz back on jett but i feel zekken is more suited to that playstyle more than tenz apart from oping . tenz kayo is better for icebox

TheAceGamer30 [#23]

its too early to say that though like how its too early to count out nrg

I agree which is why I have SEN ranked number 1 for Madrid

I believe they will fix their mistakes and bounce back stronger

I’m just saying TMV’s concern about SEN is valid

TheAceGamer30 [#19]

did i say he was wrong lol? i only disagreed with sen not having 4 maps cus they do

"their only bad maps is ascent and breeze and the mistakes they make on the map is fixable" he brings that up
"bro was yapping about sen not being good on 4 maps which completely false" he brings that up
"no teams map pool is good as its early days of 2024 season" he brings that up
"raze is the meta in 4/7 maps so all they need to do is ban the jett maps to win lol" he brings that up

you quite literally did not watch the video or refused to hear him out for 11 minutes straight, give this SEN dick riding a rest bro.

Asuna_Yuuki [#24]

They still won a vast majority of their maps on both of those maps

KC lost 5 maps during their run while SEN lost 9 maps

so did sen losing most maps to ascent and bind
they lost ascent twice ( they need to put the most work on this map if they ever want to reach sucess)
they lost breeze once( im not counting the g2 game cus that was trolling)
they lost split once( same with g2 game doesnt count)
they lost bind twice (fixible mistakes they made and im sure they can improve it)

Asuna_Yuuki [#26]

I agree which is why I have SEN ranked number 1 for Madrid

I believe they will fix their mistakes and bounce back stronger

I’m just saying TMV’s concern about SEN is valid

yeah i didnt say i didnt agree with him i think theres more sen can show with those maps that they need time for ig

cartixuzi [#27]

"their only bad maps is ascent and breeze and the mistakes they make on the map is fixable" he brings that up
"bro was yapping about sen not being good on 4 maps which completely false" he brings that up
"no teams map pool is good as its early days of 2024 season" he brings that up
"raze is the meta in 4/7 maps so all they need to do is ban the jett maps to win lol" he brings that up

you quite literally did not watch the video or refused to hear him out for 11 minutes straight, give this SEN dick riding a rest bro.

i literally watched the video and agreed with the most of what he said lol

TheAceGamer30 [#30]

i literally watched the video and agreed with the most of what he said lol

so why on earth are you literally going against what he's saying in this thread then you idiot, are you bipolar? you know those quotes are taken off your comments here right?

cartixuzi [#31]

so why on earth are you literally going against what he's saying in this thread then you idiot, are you bipolar? you know those quotes are taken off your comments here right?

i dont think you understand what im saying bro i never said i didnt agree with anything he said

TheAceGamer30 [#32]

i dont think you understand what im saying bro i never said i didnt agree with anything he said

did you not understand what my comment said or what, you are saying stuff thats the opposite to what you agree with is what you're telling me right now.

cartixuzi [#33]

did you not understand what my comment said or what, you are saying stuff thats the opposite to what you agree with is what you're telling me right now.

i did and thats why i said i agree lol

Bald_man [#22]

guys this might be a wild take but i feel like putting tyson on jett only for icebox and zekks on sova(they needed a drone big time even fns said it)

so roles are
tyson-jett
zekken-sova
john-viper
sacy-gekko
zellsis-kayo/kj?

thoughts?
i can just feel like tenz has amazing defense holds on a site and also he can op crutch (zekken op shots missing a lot) zekken can enter better but tenz can op better

it all comes down to one or the other

this failed miserably last year. As much as I want tenz on Jett, a better one would be:

TenZ: KAYO
zekken: Jett
johnqt: Viper
Sacy: Gekko/Sova
zellsis: Harbor

At least this can be more efficient in terms of creating space, especially with double wall + harbor's ult

jmssucksatvalorant [#35]

this failed miserably last year. As much as I want tenz on Jett, a better one would be:

TenZ: KAYO
zekken: Jett
johnqt: Viper
Sacy: Gekko/Sova
zellsis: Harbor

At least this can be more efficient in terms of creating space, especially with double wall + harbor's ult

that could work

TheAceGamer30 [#34]

i did and thats why i said i agree lol

so then why are you disagreeing with yourself in this thread then wtf, read what I'm typing please

TheAceGamer30 [#25]

i would love to see tenz back on jett but i feel zekken is more suited to that playstyle more than tenz apart from oping . tenz kayo is better for icebox

yes that's why i'm a bit held back too
zach is so good at openers
ig they gotta keep it as it is
and work on site retakes and post plant protocols. also not much lurks by the team, someone should get on that lurk timings

michaelisupset [#2]

didn’t watch playing elden ring again sorry

what build, started a new playthrough running dual twinblades,bleed and frost goes hard

fuck commander o'niall tho

cartixuzi [#37]

so then why are you disagreeing with yourself in this thread then wtf, read what I'm typing please

I ain’t wasting time with you cus your implying I didn’t like what tmv said when it’s the complete opposite you use my comments in vlr to back your claims when I’m just discussing what evidence that claims what tmv said was correct. And since people showed me how good the claims were from tmv I’m more than happy to agree with him

Rugsssssss [#39]

what build, started a new playthrough running dual twinblades,bleed and frost goes hard

fuck commander o'niall tho

dex/faith atm

TheAceGamer30 [#40]

I ain’t wasting time with you cus your implying I didn’t like what tmv said when it’s the complete opposite you use my comments in vlr to back your claims when I’m just discussing what evidence that claims what tmv said was correct. And since people showed me how good the claims were from tmv I’m more than happy to agree with him

just say that you didn't understand the video until you got shit on for it or tell me you changed your mind, my claims are literally coming out of your own mouth in this exact same thread, you are literally arguing with yourself.

cartixuzi [#42]

just say that you didn't understand the video until you got shit on for it or tell me you changed your mind, my claims are literally coming out of your own mouth in this exact same thread, you are literally arguing with yourself.

Holy fuck can’t you tell I changed my mind when discussing it with other people of the points he said wtf are you dumb?

TheAceGamer30 [#43]

Holy fuck can’t you tell I changed my mind when discussing it with other people of the points he said wtf are you dumb?

after you got shit on for it because you recommended us a video you didn't watch prior you dumbass, this is why you get bullied on this site lol.

michaelisupset [#41]

dex/faith atm

bro I've done a mage build, and a str faith build

now doing a dex arcane build feels so scummy, atleast doing it no summons to challenge myself a lil bit

cartixuzi [#44]

after you got shit on for it because you recommended us a video you didn't watch prior you dumbass, this is why you get bullied on this site lol.

Holy fuck I just wanted to discuss about it not ask about how he was wrong , I did watch the video before making this thread hence why I wrote the thread idiot

TheAceGamer30 [#46]

Holy fuck I just wanted to discuss about it not ask about how he was wrong , I did watch the video before making this thread hence why I wrote the thread idiot

explain #4, #6, and #12 then and why you said what you said if you watched the vid prior to making the thread then lmfao, you're proving that you're dumb af every time you reply bro.

Rugsssssss [#45]

bro I've done a mage build, and a str faith build

now doing a dex arcane build feels so scummy, atleast doing it no summons to challenge myself a lil bit

yea bleed/arcane is stupid in elden ring lol

if he said anything positive about SEN i agree

if he said anything negative about SEN i disagree

He wasn't even wrong lowkey, man placed SEN as the best team at MADRID in his power rankings but he did so while putting no teams at S-tier

Simon_Digger [#50]

He wasn't even wrong lowkey, man placed SEN as the best team at MADRID in his power rankings but he did so while putting no teams at S-tier

Yep

TheAceGamer30 [#12]

no teams map pool is good as its early days of 2024 season

All teams apart from sentinels,loud,prx and fpx have AT LEAST 5 maps where they have >70% winrate on.
I dont know if u watched tmvs video but he literally brought up how theres team with 4 or more maps where they have almost 100% winrate lmfao

It should have been nrg, the matrix control the whole tournament sadly. What a world we live in.

jmssucksatvalorant [#35]

this failed miserably last year. As much as I want tenz on Jett, a better one would be:

TenZ: KAYO
zekken: Jett
johnqt: Viper
Sacy: Gekko/Sova
zellsis: Harbor

At least this can be more efficient in terms of creating space, especially with double wall + harbor's ult

dont think this can work without a KJ tbh

sussybaka [#53]

It should have been nrg, the matrix control the whole tournament sadly. What a world we live in.

it should've been fnc and drx asw
we're in this together brother

michaelisupset [#48]

yea bleed/arcane is stupid in elden ring lol

dex is super fun, id highly check out doing a curved sword build, using the Flowing sword with parry AOW, shit is stylish asf

j3bx5597 [#56]

dex is super fun, id highly check out doing a curved sword build, using the Flowing sword with parry AOW, shit is stylish asf

i was just about to switch to a bandit curved sword build lol

I agree with the map pools arguement from TMV.. SEN has only 3 good maps right now... if they can make it 4... they will always have 2 maps out of the 3 which will favour them.

jmssucksatvalorant [#35]

this failed miserably last year. As much as I want tenz on Jett, a better one would be:

TenZ: KAYO
zekken: Jett
johnqt: Viper
Sacy: Gekko/Sova
zellsis: Harbor

At least this can be more efficient in terms of creating space, especially with double wall + harbor's ult

he failed miserably last year because the entire team was in the dumps, their team mental was obviously blown out of the water and this was the time when kyedae's condition wasn't good and it obviously affected TenZ but now with the team environment and zellsis, he can do way better

he is baiting to a certain extent to gain views which is pretty smart, he had no reason to make that video when he has already made that point in other videos of his. He does it all the time to be different and gain views

Tweakin tweakin off that TMV huh

noxx [#60]

he is baiting to a certain extent to gain views which is pretty smart, he had no reason to make that video when he has already made that point in other videos of his. He does it all the time to be different and gain views

the point of making videos on youtube?
is views yk that right

meowchan [#62]

the point of making videos on youtube?
is views yk that right

which is why I said its smart, I respect it. Rage baiting works and u gotta do what u gotta do

finnwithtwons [#54]

dont think this can work without a KJ tbh

Viper is technically ur sentinel when a map "doesnt" need a sentinel. and Viper covers enough ground as a single site holder.

jmssucksatvalorant [#64]

Viper is technically ur sentinel when a map "doesnt" need a sentinel. and Viper covers enough ground as a single site holder.

no you need a killjoy on icebox for the same reason u need kj on lotus despite having 2 controllers, mid is just too complicated and open of a lane for you to not have any sentinel utility watching it

Asuna_Yuuki [#24]

They still won a vast majority of their maps on both of those maps

KC lost 5 maps during their run while SEN lost 9 maps

To be fair SEN had to face way stronger team compared to KC

TheAceGamer30 [#21]

i believe they can do it they have the time to prepare

Bro anytime u say anything u get downvoted even if ur sayin correct things. And I agree that SEN isn't weak in terms of map pool, but they can be excellent at most with some more time

Charism [#67]

Bro anytime u say anything u get downvoted even if ur sayin correct things. And I agree that SEN isn't weak in terms of map pool, but they can be excellent at most with some more time

yep

Charism [#67]

Bro anytime u say anything u get downvoted even if ur sayin correct things. And I agree that SEN isn't weak in terms of map pool, but they can be excellent at most with some more time

he just called tmv a yappper , ofc he's gonna get downvoted. TMV just called out people like acegamer lol.

jmssucksatvalorant [#35]

this failed miserably last year. As much as I want tenz on Jett, a better one would be:

TenZ: KAYO
zekken: Jett
johnqt: Viper
Sacy: Gekko/Sova
zellsis: Harbor

At least this can be more efficient in terms of creating space, especially with double wall + harbor's ult

Icebox requires a sentinel for mid-coverage (Even Loud succumbed and played KJ). Also, it’s been established that you don’t need a duelist because the chokes are so wide and varied that you can literally contact in with a drone.

I think they should keep Sacy on Gekko, Zellsis on Viper, and Johnqt on Killjoy. Switch Zekken to Sova, and have Tenz flex to one of three agents. Have him play Kayo for flashes/suppress, Omen for verticality/op’ing, or Harbor for smokes/plant and defuse support.

All three of those variations are viable with Omen having the most flexibility. He has a strong flash for trap plays and retakes, coverage as a secondary smoker, and can abuse verticality similarly to a Jett to Op on defense or secure space aggressively on attack — not to mention the opportunity for lurks.

Ultia [#70]

Icebox requires a sentinel for mid-coverage (Even Loud succumbed and played KJ). Also, it’s been established that you don’t need a duelist because the chokes are so wide and varied that you can literally contact in with a drone.

I think they should keep Sacy on Gekko, Zellsis on Viper, and Johnqt on Killjoy. Switch Zekken to Sova, and have Tenz flex to one of three agents. Have him play Kayo for flashes/suppress, Omen for verticality/op’ing, or Harbor for smokes/plant and defuse support.

All three of those variations are viable with Omen having the most flexibility. He has a strong flash for trap plays and retakes, coverage as a secondary smoker, and can abuse verticality similarly to a Jett to Op on defense or secure space aggressively on attack — not to mention the opportunity for lurks.

With that then, SEN could run TenZ chamber, Zellsis KJ, Zekken Sova, Sacy Gekko, JohnQT Viper for icebox. At least there, the aggression is still the same

jmssucksatvalorant [#64]

Viper is technically ur sentinel when a map "doesnt" need a sentinel. and Viper covers enough ground as a single site holder.

That would work if the map didn't need a sentinel, but this icebox defenitley does need a sentinel to be able to watch the tube lurk.

jmssucksatvalorant [#64]

Viper is technically ur sentinel when a map "doesnt" need a sentinel. and Viper covers enough ground as a single site holder.

stop treating valorant like checkers man