Americas used to have two superteams,
they were called LOUD and OpTIc
Sacy and Pancada > Tuyz and Cauanzin atm, Saadhak and FNS both top 3 IGLs in the world, Marved and Yay => S0m and Ardiis
Both teams spoke pure english and pure portugese so communication was flawless.
Both teams would've crushed Fnatic if they got franchised
Nachtel [#4]Americas used to have two superteams,
they were called LOUD and OpTIc
Sacy and Pancada > Tuyz and Cauanzin atm, Saadhak and FNS both top 3 IGLs in the world, Marved and Yay => S0m and Ardiis
Both teams spoke pure english and pure portugese so communication was flawless.
Both teams would've crushed Fnatic if they got franchised
They still do but one lost their 2 best players
ZhangWei [#6]They still do but one lost their 2 best players
Wouldn't they no longer be a superteam then? A superteam is a team with the best players in every role, but if you lose two of them then it's like, you're just a regular good team
BoF7ooM [#5]You just made an American "superteam" without FNS or sadhaak lmao.
my reasoning is because if you have FNS you won't have less(cause clashing roles)
and if you added sadhaak then it wouldn't be a american superteam(removing latam)
namzelor [#9]my reasoning is because if you have FNS you won't have less(cause clashing roles)
and if you added sadhaak then it wouldn't be a american superteam(removing latam)
Fns can clearly play flex and sadhaak literally plays flex. (Fns was good at skye, breach, decent at kayo and can play viper)
Nachtel [#4]Americas used to have two superteams,
they were called LOUD and OpTIc
Sacy and Pancada > Tuyz and Cauanzin atm, Saadhak and FNS both top 3 IGLs in the world, Marved and Yay => S0m and Ardiis
Both teams spoke pure english and pure portugese so communication was flawless.
Both teams would've crushed Fnatic if they got franchised
New loud is way better than the old loud roster, still got "crushed" by fnatic instead of crushing em lil bro
Sacy might be a good initiator, but cuanzin has more firepower
Pancada wasn't the best controller, otherwise why would they make him play sentinel role in his new team.
namzelor [#9]my reasoning is because if you have FNS you won't have less(cause clashing roles)
and if you added sadhaak then it wouldn't be a american superteam(removing latam)
why wouldn't it be american?
namzelor [#9]my reasoning is because if you have FNS you won't have less(cause clashing roles)
and if you added sadhaak then it wouldn't be a american superteam(removing latam)
why would you remove LATAM?? LATAM means Latin America.
namzelor [#9]my reasoning is because if you have FNS you won't have less(cause clashing roles)
and if you added sadhaak then it wouldn't be a american superteam(removing latam)
0 iq for saying (removing latam)
since_beta [#14]New loud is way better than the old loud roster, still got "crushed" by fnatic instead of crushing em lil bro
Sacy might be a good initiator, but cuanzin has more firepower
Pancada wasn't the best controller, otherwise why would they make him play sentinel role in his new team.
I can understand comparing Sacy to Cauanzin, but in what world do you think Tuyz is a better addition to the team than Pancada? and you better not say "cus of his util" like harbor walls require a PHD to master
Cresp [#7]US superteam rn:
Demon1
Victor
Crashies
S0m
Boostio igl/ idek maybe runi but he plays initiatorMce or pooter coach
L team won't make out of America's.
Nachtel [#21]I can understand comparing Sacy to Cauanzin, but in what world do you think Tuyz is a better addition to the team than Pancada? and you better not say "cus of his util" like harbor walls require a PHD to master
Why is he playing sentinel now then
Also i never compared tuyz and pancada, i just said pancada is not the best controller in America's, loud wasn't a super team because a super team means best" of each role
since_beta [#23]Why is he playing sentinel now then
Also i never compared tuyz and pancada, i just said pancada is not the best controller in America's, loud wasn't a super team because a super team means best" of each role
Because Sentinels made the mistake of signing Dephh, and Pancada offered to play the role in order to put his british ass on initiator
Nachtel [#25]Because Sentinels made the mistake of signing Dephh, and Pancada offered to play the role in order to put his british ass on initiator
Bro sacy and pancada switched roles, what are you whaffling about 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Dephh can play smokes, sacy went smokes, deph went init, and sacy on sentinel
since_beta [#14]New loud is way better than the old loud roster, still got "crushed" by fnatic instead of crushing em lil bro
Sacy might be a good initiator, but cuanzin has more firepower
Pancada wasn't the best controller, otherwise why would they make him play sentinel role in his new team.
No?
Nachtel [#13]BTW I don't really trust Kingg on IGL anymore, it doesn't seem like Leviatan really has a set IGL structure, instead they all just memorize protocols and try to follow them perfectly, Onur has more control over the team than Kingg does
Leviatan has the same problem as Furia because of different reasons, while Leviatan has problems with inconsistency in closing maps (LEV X 100T) because they are very easy to read, always trying to play in the "fps manual", this makes them very predictable and it seems that Kingg is unable to adapt and coordinate the team's play because of this. As for Furia, who could have finished the 7x2 group stage, if they hadn't clashed in games like those against 100T and Sen. They open a big advantage and then start to sin not because of the IGL coordination, but it's like they play with 5 duelists in the team. They just want to shoot and forget the "fps manual" and sin in the simplest
Cresp [#24]All of these players did bruh
Different reasons.
Victor
Crashies
S0m did because of fenis
Demon1 is great, but bad mental.
Boostio. Seriously?
since_beta [#26]Bro sacy and pancada switched roles, what are you whaffling about 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Dephh can play smokes, sacy went smokes, deph went init, and sacy on sentinel
Sacy was a Sentinel? What are you actually saying bro
Nachtel [#25]Because Sentinels made the mistake of signing Dephh, and Pancada offered to play the role in order to put his british ass on initiator
don't bother arguing with people with fnatic flairs, some of the most retarded people on this website
ilikewiredheadphones [#27]No?
- Against Fnatic was Cauanzin and Tuyz first tournament
- The original Loud roster was much more solid, but the new Loud roster is improving as time goes by
Notice how I said "Atm"
I'm sure if you give any new team time, NRG and LOUD included, their new players have potential to surpass those that they replaced.
But as of right now, LOUD and NRG are weaker than they would've been with their old rosters
ilikewiredheadphones [#27]No?
- Against Fnatic was Cauanzin and Tuyz first tournament
- The original Loud roster was much more solid, but the new Loud roster is improving as time goes by
BoF7ooM [#5]You just made an American "superteam" without FNS or sadhaak lmao.
very common, very smart navi fan
Nachtel [#30]Sacy was a Sentinel? What are you actually saying bro
My point is, sacy and pancada weren't the best in their role, as their roles were changed.
since_beta [#29]Different reasons.
Victor
Crashies
S0m did because of fenisDemon1 is great, but bad mental.
Boostio. Seriously?
Doubting my boy boostio, but is there any other top tier american igl rn? Apart from runi?
Victor and crashies are not dependent on fns bruh they are both extremely solid. S0m was also always solid tho? Even on old nrg he could play any agent to a good level.
uwukitten [#31]don't bother arguing with people with fnatic flairs, some of the most retarded people on this website
Lmao who tf are you? Neither natchel nor me knows you, he definitely does not need you to dickride him, we are having a debate of our own lmao, don't poke your 1.5 star shaby nose in here.
Nachtel [#4]Americas used to have two superteams,
they were called LOUD and OpTIc
Sacy and Pancada > Tuyz and Cauanzin atm, Saadhak and FNS both top 3 IGLs in the world, Marved and Yay => S0m and Ardiis
Both teams spoke pure english and pure portugese so communication was flawless.
Both teams would've crushed Fnatic if they got franchised
Ah yeah old Optic (only won ONCE against EMEA btw) would win against current FNC 😂
since_beta [#33]
- I personally feel new loud is better.
- Old loud wasn't a super team, because here it means best player of a particular role, you seriously think pancada was the best controller, and still was made to switch roles? Man had a lucky playstyle that now goes well with KJ
What do you think Sentinels signed pancada for?
Look at any of their early games, it was Dephh that was playing killjoy, Pancada was signed to be a smokes player.
Then this dumbass dephh decides he wants to play with the main group and begs to play initiator, and they put Pancada on Sentinel to accomodate for that
Cresp [#36]Doubting my boy boostio, but is there any other top tier american igl rn? Apart from runi?
Victor and crashies are not dependent on fns bruh they are both extremely solid. S0m was also always solid tho? Even on old nrg he could play any agent to a good level.
Nah, you know fns is a top tier igl, you know it cresp, you do.
Nachtel [#39]What do you think Sentinels signed pancada for?
Look at any of their early games, it was Dephh that was playing killjoy, Pancada was signed to be a smokes player.
Then this dumbass dephh decides he wants to play with the main group and begs to play initiator, and they put Pancada on Sentinel to accomodate for that
Don't you somehow feel that pancada is a better kj? Or is it just me?
since_beta [#40]Nah, you know fns is a top tier igl, you know it cresp, you do.
Fns is from canada tho. This is purely united states team
since_beta [#35]My point is, sacy and pancada weren't the best in their role, as their roles were changed.
Explain to me your reasoning
How does anything you just said back up that point?
Also wtf do you mean Sacy and Pancada switched roles? explain that please, I genuinely don't understand wtf you're saying. Sacy has always been a scan initiator player and Pancada has always been a dedicated controller, How does them "switching" roles end up with Pancada on killjoy?
since_beta [#41]Don't you somehow feel that pancada is a better kj? Or is it just me?
NO he's shit on killjoy, compare his stats while he's been on Killjoy to his stats when he was playing controller on Loud.
Better than dephh? yes but everyone is better than dephh at every role.
It's like seeing your midfielder is shit so you decide to make Messi your new midfielder
just cus hes better at it doesn't mean he'll be just as good at it as he would be a forward.
He would have more value to his team if he was put on forward just as Pancada would add more value to the team put on controller.
Pancada is a world class controller player made to play killjoy
Nachtel [#43]Explain to me your reasoning
How does anything you just said back up that point?
Also wtf do you mean Sacy and Pancada switched roles? explain that please, I genuinely don't understand wtf you're saying. Sacy has always been a scan initiator player and Pancada has always been a dedicated controller, How does them "switching" roles end up with Pancada on killjoy?
Well, that's mistake lmao, i meant sacy took up pancada's role, and pancada took the sentinel role.
Now let me break it up to you.
In this case 2 top tier players are changing roles.
Why didn't sacy switch to sentinel role, and let pancada do what he is best at,in that case only 1 player had to change role, do you get me? I am not saying that I am 100% correct,it's all a theory.
Nachtel [#44]NO he's shit on killjoy, compare his stats while he's been on Killjoy to his stats when he was playing controller on Loud.
Better than dephh? yes but everyone is better than dephh at every role.
It's like seeing your midfielder is shit so you decide to make Messi your new midfielder
just cus hes better at it doesn't mean he'll be just as good at it as he would be a forward.
He would have more value to his team if he was put on forward just as Pancada would add more value to the team put on controller.
Pancada is a world class controller player made to play killjoy
Stats? Really.
Cresp [#42]Fns is from canada tho. This is purely united states team
I meant, fns made victor and crashies, and som, what was s0m under hazed, bot fragging with kayo?
Acyclovir [#17]Tenz 1 jett
Tenz 2 IGL + Controller
Tenz 3 sentinel
Tenz 4 initiator
Tenz 5 flex
bro forgot elevenz and ninez
Nachtel [#50]Yes, go to his stats
No i meant, you think stats are the thing that matters? Like trembo does?
And you are actually comparing stats of 2 different role.
since_beta [#14]New loud is way better than the old loud roster, still got "crushed" by fnatic instead of crushing em lil bro
Sacy might be a good initiator, but cuanzin has more firepower
Pancada wasn't the best controller, otherwise why would they make him play sentinel role in his new team.
I like the exchange that occurred between Sacy and Cauanzin, because cauanzin does have more Firepower, but lacks experience. And whenever there is a comparison between Tuyz and Pancada, people always forget the essentials. The 2 are not doing the job they are better at, saying that Pancada wasn't the best Smoker seeing what he did in the Champions is psychopathy, apparently we weren't watching the same game. Pancada na Loud was a Smoker Lurker and he Solved situations, whenever he was left in the 1vX clutch you were sure that it was easier for him to win than the other team, regardless of who he played against. Now he's changed roles and he doesn't stand out so much, it's like making CR7 or Messi Play Goalkeeper, obviously they wouldn't have so much prominence. And tuyz is not a smoker Lurker like Pancada, quite the contrary, with Loud's setup of 2 smokers, it is always noticeable that Tuyz's role is not to solve the situation as Pancada did, it is to be a second Smoker and play as a support, that's why he doesn't have so much prominence.
If the new Loud lost a won game against FNC, I feel sorry for what they would do against FNC if they played with the old team
since_beta [#52]No i meant, you think stats are the thing that matters? Like trembo does?
And you are actually comparing stats of 2 different role.
like trembo?? bro I'm asking you to compare his 1.2 KDA on controller vs his 0.9 KDA on killjoy.
Neither of those roles take on as many engagements as duelists or initiators
since_beta [#48]I meant, fns made victor and crashies, and som, what was s0m under hazed, bot fragging with kayo?
Yeah I mean players improve under good leadership but that improvement doesnt leave. All of these players in current form would make a great team. Boostio was calling great most of playoffs. S0m found his own on controller with fns, victor and crashies are 2 solid players that can midround, demon1 is demon1
since_beta [#45]Well, that's mistake lmao, i meant sacy took up pancada's role, and pancada took the sentinel role.
Now let me break it up to you.
In this case 2 top tier players are changing roles.
Why didn't sacy switch to sentinel role, and let pancada do what he is best at,in that case only 1 player had to change role, do you get me? I am not saying that I am 100% correct,it's all a theory.
Because Sacy can't play Sentinel, just as Pancada can't. of the two, Pancada is the one slightly more suited to doing so because controller and sentinel are more similar in nature.
Neither benefits from being put out of their comfort roles.
Why do you think Sacy did so good the moment he was put on Sova? or why Pancada has been doing so good ever since he's been able to play controllers more often now that he and marved fit in the double controller meta
ColdWKey [#38]Ah yeah old Optic (only won ONCE against EMEA btw) would win against current FNC 😂
bro takes superstition as an actual argument.
All teams are different, it doesn't actually matter what region a team is from, a matchup between one EMEA team is different than another.
Remember, Fnatic lost to 100T last year, despite 100T being an objectively worse team than OpTic, and Fnatic being a better team than Liquid
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