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your favourite languages

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#1
eszett

considering vlr is an international website, tell me your top 5 favourite languages
i start:
latin
portuguese
french
greek
deutsch*

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portuguese no bias that's the best language in the world and i'm not even brazilian

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italian >>>

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eszett
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veyyyyron [#2]

portuguese no bias that's the best language in the world and i'm not even brazilian

lmao flair check

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nutab1e
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baltimorian >>>

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owner
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English clears

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Italian, Serbian, German

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English

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eszett
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Cabarelson [#3]

italian >>>

my top 6

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Itsover
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owner [#6]

English clears

English sounds effeminate if it's not scouse accent, German clears.

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eszett
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English clears

bruh

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Cat4clysma
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Hawaiian rules all european languages

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batchestingveryhard
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🤙👉🤚🫰🤟

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Mortadelo
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How is the Pope's mother tongue not up there, shame

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eszett
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batchestingveryhard [#13]

🤙👉🤚🫰🤟

nice one

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SamBR
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Italian sounds good to listen to.
In Portuguese, a lot of gringos say that it sounds like music too.

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#14]

How is the Pope's mother tongue not up there, shame

i would put galician along with portuguese bc it sounds like a spanish portuguese

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eszett [#17]

i would put galician along with portuguese bc it sounds like a spanish portuguese

Galician is Portuguese even if Galicians don't wanna accept it
Have you heard Euskera tho xD

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#18]

Galician is Portuguese even if Galicians don't wanna accept it
Have you heard Euskera tho xD

i think they sould accept it bc even for a brazilian galician is more understandable than portuguese from portugal

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furyufbutyounger
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Arabic
French

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juho
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other than my mother tongue ig English, Korean and Russian

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#18]

Galician is Portuguese even if Galicians don't wanna accept it
Have you heard Euskera tho xD

the only thing i know about euskara is that is spoken in euskadi

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widepeepofrosty
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speak amurican, no need for these languages, american >>>>>>>>>

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eszett [#19]

i think they sould accept it bc even for a brazilian galician is more understandable than portuguese from portugal

Fun fact, that's why the -inho in Fitinho, he's galician

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juho [#21]

other than my mother tongue ig English, Korean and Russian

what's your mother tongue?

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Mortadelo [#24]

Fun fact, that's why the -inho in Fitinho, he's galician

LOL I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS ASKING THIS FOR MYSELF TODAY

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eszett [#22]

the only thing i know about euskara is that is spoken in euskadi

Yeah, it's a very unique language, one of the only ones in the world that does not have relation with any other known language. Like nobody knows where it comes from

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eszett
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widepeepofrosty [#23]

speak amurican, no need for these languages, american >>>>>>>>>

american clears

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juho
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eszett [#25]

what's your mother tongue?

Hindi saar, but I can speak English fluently and learning Korean rn. Plan to learn Russian as well once im fluent in my Korean

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#27]

Yeah, it's a very unique language, one of the only ones in the world that does not have relation with any other known language. Like nobody knows where it comes from

yeah i heard that someday
this can be one of the reasons that they want independence, am i right?

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Kirya
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Itsover [#31]

Belarusian clears lil bro

ну хз чел

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eszett
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juho [#30]

Hindi saar, but I can speak English fluently and learning Korean rn. Plan to learn Russian as well once im fluent in my Korean

interesting. i have a huge interest on hindi
do you wanna move to some of these countries?

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eszett [#26]

LOL I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS ASKING THIS FOR MYSELF TODAY

Yup it's so weird cause actually his last name is Gallego, (galician), and he is galician. If you watch the EMEA crowd there is always banner that says "Fitinho Vigo esta contigo", Vigo it's his city right in the frontier with Portugal. Celta de Vigo football team

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Mortadelo
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eszett [#32]

yeah i heard that someday
this can be one of the reasons that they want independence, am i right?

Yeah it is a reason to feel more like their own I guess

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juho
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eszett [#34]

interesting. i have a huge interest on hindi
do you wanna move to some of these countries?

idk about move, maybe. I'm planning to visit Korea tho once im done with my uni.
How'd you develop an interest in Hindi btw if you don't mind me asking?

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benmaimoon
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Turkish clears unbiased opinion

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andZ
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Portuguese, Spanish, English (because world demands, im not much of that language) French and Chinese (difficult af, by i think is fucking beautiful).

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#35]

Yup it's so weird cause actually his last name is Gallego, (galician), and he is galician. If you watch the EMEA crowd there is always banner that says "Fitinho Vigo esta contigo", Vigo it's his city right in the frontier with Portugal. Celta de Vigo football team

ok fitinho is my favourite player from emea rn
i really love galiza and iberian culture (my surname is galician). one of my favourite songs talks about the Camino de Santiago

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Itsover
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benmaimoon [#39]

Turkish clears unbiased opinion

K A R A B O G A

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#37]

Yeah it is a reason to feel more like their own I guess

let me ask you something: where do you from in spain?

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eszett [#41]

ok fitinho is my favourite player from emea rn
i really love galiza and iberian culture (my surname is galician). one of my favourite songs talks about the Camino de Santiago

Nice haha

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eszett
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juho [#38]

idk about move, maybe. I'm planning to visit Korea tho once im done with my uni.
How'd you develop an interest in Hindi btw if you don't mind me asking?

i see
my interest is because i use to study about compared religions and i have some interest in studying hinduism

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Asuna_Yuuki
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English
French
Japanese
Tamil
Korean

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Mortadelo
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eszett [#43]

let me ask you something: where do you from in spain?

Um I'd rather not specify, but at the eastern part

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juho
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eszett [#45]

i see
my interest is because i use to study about compared religions and i have some interest in studying hinduism

oooo thats nice 👍🙂. I hope you enjoy learning about my culture and language

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juho
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andZ [#40]

Portuguese, Spanish, English (because world demands, im not much of that language) French and Chinese (difficult af, by i think is fucking beautiful).

Portuguese very beautiful language yes

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#47]

Um I'd rather not specify, but at the eastern part

yeah i understand

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eszett
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juho [#48]

oooo thats nice 👍🙂. I hope you enjoy learning about my culture and language

<3

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eszett [#50]

yeah i understand

Speak Catalan

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#52]

Speak Catalan

i would guess barcelona

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saebr
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Asuna_Yuuki [#46]

English
French
Japanese
Tamil
Korean

なまえwwwww

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benmaimoon
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Itsover [#42]

K A R A B O G A

🐂

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Trapyy_
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French is the best no doubt, their accent in any other language is great

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Mortadelo
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eszett [#53]

i would guess barcelona

Catalan is Spoken in most of the Eastern coast. Catalonia, Valencia and Balearic Islands. Barcelona alone is like 15% of the Catalan speakers tho so good guess, but not the case

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#57]

Catalan is Spoken in most of the Eastern coast. Catalonia, Valencia and Balearic Islands. Barcelona alone is like 15% of the Catalan speakers tho so good guess, but not the case

Interesting, I didn't know that. I thought Catalan was spoken only in Catalunya and tried to guess the most famous city. Said that, you're valencian.

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Ailed
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nutab1e [#5]

baltimorian >>>

Jitilitoooogan

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eszett
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Trapyy_ [#56]

French is the best no doubt, their accent in any other language is great

i think the best part of french is the writing

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Kakyoin_donut
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Latin.

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eszett
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Kakyoin_donut [#61]

Latin.

latin clears

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Mortadelo
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eszett [#58]

Interesting, I didn't know that. I thought Catalan was spoken only in Catalunya and tried to guess the most famous city. Said that, you're valencian.

Yeah a lot of people think that but those 3 zones used to be part of the same Kingdom, Aragon Kingdom where they spoke Catalan. Southern Italy was part of it too, I believe there is still a couple places in Cerdenya where they still speak Catalan.

Sorry for the history lesson tho lol

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Warlordwibz
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British English (US english have weird spelling)
Japanese
Korean
German
Indonesian (Malay spelling/pronunciation seems off)

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kzeriar
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Ewe
Yoruba
Akwê Xerente
Georgian
!Xóõ

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wing_0001
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Vietnamese clears (69th reply btw)

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h786
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Arabic - the Language of the Quran and of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Aramaic/Hebrew - the Language of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) and Prophet Moses (PBUH)

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#63]

Yeah a lot of people think that but those 3 zones used to be part of the same Kingdom, Aragon Kingdom where they spoke Catalan. Southern Italy was part of it too, I believe there is still a couple places in Cerdenya where they still speak Catalan.

Sorry for the history lesson tho lol

I Know Aragon Kingdom bc of Fernando (Isabel's husband) and I knew it used to have the eastern part of Hispania, but thought there were different languages.
Don't bother, I love history.

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eszett
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kzeriar [#65]

Ewe
Yoruba
Akwê Xerente
Georgian
!Xóõ

wtf i didn't know !Xóõ wtf

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my_fav_team_is_M3C
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I speak Arabic to God, English to my horse, Russian to men and I never speak to women.

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eszett
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h786 [#67]

Arabic - the Language of the Quran and of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Aramaic/Hebrew - the Language of Prophet Jesus (PBUH) and Prophet Moses (PBUH)

i love aramaic too, but it is only spoken in a strict part of syria :((

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eszett
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my_fav_team_is_M3C [#70]

I speak Arabic to God, English to my horse, Russian to men and I never speak to women.

Yeah, São Paulo is very influenced by italians (60% of ancestry)
LMAO THE EDIT

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my_fav_team_is_M3C
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eszett [#72]

Yeah, São Paulo is very influenced by italians (60% of ancestry)
LMAO THE EDIT

For native Russian speaker, the most beautiful language for me is Portuguese. I can go further and say not the standard one, but Brazilian one, especially Sao Paolo accent. It sounds like it influenced by Italian language. Basically, Portuguese has the same beauty as French, but sounds more mature and gallant, Italian is great too but too quick so has the second place, I would say French is third. And let say jerman is fourth but only if women speak 😂

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kzeriar
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eszett [#69]

wtf i didn't know !Xóõ wtf

I'd be more surprised if you know Akwê Xerente before you know !Xóõ

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eszett
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kzeriar [#74]

I'd be more surprised if you know Akwê Xerente before you know !Xóõ

this is much esoteric for me

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Mortadelo
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eszett [#68]

I Know Aragon Kingdom bc of Fernando (Isabel's husband) and I knew it used to have the eastern part of Hispania, but thought there were different languages.
Don't bother, I love history.

Hell yeah man good job.

Yeah interestingly enough they don't speak Catalan in Aragon anymore. Just Catalunya, Valencia and the Balearic Islands. It's cool but kinda useless ngl, like there are about 10 million speakers which is very decent, but everyone who speaks it's also perfectly fluent in Spanish so it doesn't really add a lot of value in that sense

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eszett
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Mortadelo [#76]

Hell yeah man good job.

Yeah interestingly enough they don't speak Catalan in Aragon anymore. Just Catalunya, Valencia and the Balearic Islands. It's cool but kinda useless ngl, like there are about 10 million speakers which is very decent, but everyone who speaks it's also perfectly fluent in Spanish so it doesn't really add a lot of value in that sense

Yeah, makes sense. In general, will be more usefully speak spanish bc everyone in the country speaks.

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Qadr
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Punjabi, Arabic, Deutsch

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eszett [#4]

lmao flair check

man is joking

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Nickmilk
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Paraibano

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eszett
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be699 [#79]

man is joking

uhhh i know

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hiroshi_kenji
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wing_0001 [#66]

Vietnamese clears (69th reply btw)

nice

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DK_Val
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Telugu Hindi English Jap Korean

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portuguese

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eszett [#45]

i see
my interest is because i use to study about compared religions and i have some interest in studying hinduism

not to discourage you but almost any hinduism material that exists in hindi, has been translated to english. The nicher and untranslated works usually exist in sanskrit,pali(buddhism esp) or regional languages like old tamil. The community and culture at large too isnt focused on Hindi in anyway or form and a large part of the population communicates in english, so dont worry about not knowing hindi to learn more about hinduism and related culture

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Ailed
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Italian (Sicilian)
Portuguese
Korean

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Nachtel
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French
German
English
Spanish

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archetype
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French is actually a very beautiful language, even though it's fr*nch.
Japanese is also quite nice.
I would like to learn Spanish as well.

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN
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🫵🤡

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bandwagondestroyer
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persian arabic Urdu, and french, because it reminds me of how fucking poor i am

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GeZAhri
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tagalog

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my_fav_team_is_M3C [#73]

For native Russian speaker, the most beautiful language for me is Portuguese. I can go further and say not the standard one, but Brazilian one, especially Sao Paolo accent. It sounds like it influenced by Italian language. Basically, Portuguese has the same beauty as French, but sounds more mature and gallant, Italian is great too but too quick so has the second place, I would say French is third. And let say jerman is fourth but only if women speak 😂

🫵🤡

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Turkish

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trola
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english because they have shorter word than my first language. very convenient

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furyufbutyounger [#20]

Arabic
French

arabic ney

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English... it's pretty easy and convenient and most of the world is comfortable with it

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Finnish - most goated language and it isn't even close.
English - so used to hearing and really neutral language in my mind
Latin - just sounds cool af and mighty
Japanese - meh but sounds kind and smooth
Swedish - couldn't think others because most languages suck ass but Swedish definitely best out of Scandi languages and sounds happy

Worst is Dutch or Vietnamise

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dezzo
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Simlish used on The Sims

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Diebs
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Hindi

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Danny
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Finnish because it sounds cool

English because it’s the one i speak

Spanish because I find the swear words funny

Mandarin bc I like the way the tones sound

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Ic4rusYam2
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Quechua, Punjabi, Hmong and Icelandic

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Acerbus
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Mortadelo [#18]

Galician is Portuguese even if Galicians don't wanna accept it
Have you heard Euskera tho xD

Mal dicho; el portugués es gallego, ya que una es la lengua madre (gallego) y la otra la descendiente (portugués)

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Acerbus [#102]

Mal dicho; el portugués es gallego, ya que una es la lengua madre (gallego) y la otra la descendiente (portugués)

Bueno, pero yo prefiero enfadar a los gallegos que no a los portugueses y brasileños que son mas xD

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Mortadelo [#103]

Bueno, pero yo prefiero enfadar a los gallegos que no a los portugueses y brasileños que son mas xD

Ah, y respondiendote a lo que has dicho mas abajo sobre el catalán... Yo soy de Aragón y eso de que has dicho de que el catalán se hablaba en el Reino de Aragon es falso. Se hablaba en la Corona de Aragon, al igual que el aragonés y el latin, en Aragon se hablaba aragonés. No te lo digo en plan faltada ni de malas, eh, pero honestamenete no me gusta que se tergiverse la historia diciendo que se hablaba catalán aqui en Aragon.

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Mortadelo [#76]

Hell yeah man good job.

Yeah interestingly enough they don't speak Catalan in Aragon anymore. Just Catalunya, Valencia and the Balearic Islands. It's cool but kinda useless ngl, like there are about 10 million speakers which is very decent, but everyone who speaks it's also perfectly fluent in Spanish so it doesn't really add a lot of value in that sense

What are the top 3 languages ​​spoken in spain.
Excluding english

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eszett
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Acerbus [#102]

Mal dicho; el portugués es gallego, ya que una es la lengua madre (gallego) y la otra la descendiente (portugués)

nah you're wrong
Portuguese came from a dialect called galaico-português that was spoken along the western coast of hispania (gallician-portuguese) that originated both (portuguese, galician and also xalimego). Não, português não é galego e o galego não é português.

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veyyyyron [#2]

portuguese no bias that's the best language in the world and i'm not even brazilian

nah portugueses is the fucking worst we literally have 4 ways to say "why". so stupid.

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veyyyyron [#2]

portuguese no bias that's the best language in the world and i'm not even brazilian

Portuguese is the best language by far!!!

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Nefarious_ [#108]

Portuguese is the best language by far!!!

the fakeflagger is everywhere, keep trying racist

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eszett
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eszett [#106]

nah you're wrong
Portuguese came from a dialect called galaico-português that was spoken along the western coast of hispania (gallician-portuguese) that originated both (portuguese, galician and also xalimego). Não, português não é galego e o galego não é português.

example of each one

galician-portuguese (lyrics on description): https://youtu.be/AoISthBGyak
galician: https://youtu.be/V11f0RVRrRc
portuguese (kinda old portuguese, but much more similar to nowadays): https://youtu.be/81aeJyKAza8

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#92]

🫵🤡

é simplesmente porque o português é uma língua cantada e harmônica que favorece a poesia (é dita como a língua mais melancólica existente, e creio que isso se comprova nos poemas de Pessoa)

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eszett [#106]

nah you're wrong
Portuguese came from a dialect called galaico-português that was spoken along the western coast of hispania (gallician-portuguese) that originated both (portuguese, galician and also xalimego). Não, português não é galego e o galego não é português.

In that you are right. Although I could argue that Galician still carries more weight in terms of lingüistics let's leave it at that ^^

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Danny [#100]

Finnish because it sounds cool

English because it’s the one i speak

Spanish because I find the swear words funny

Mandarin bc I like the way the tones sound

i agree with spanish but also think that spanish is sexy af

#114
soonwookong
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Cat4clysma [#12]

Hawaiian rules all european languages

hawaiian and maori >>>>

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Carlosfera
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Portuguese and Spanish are beautiful! Japanese is funny, specifically the japanese casters, I like it! I don't like English, it sounds too "uncivilized", but I kinda like Russian... Don't know why.

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Acerbus [#112]

In that you are right. Although I could argue that Galician still carries more weight in terms of lingüistics let's leave it at that ^^

what i could say is that northeastern dialect of brazilian portuguese carries a lot of old portuguese and galician elements and that's why it's more understandable for us than portugal's portuguese (this one changed a lot compared to 1500's)
a brazilian writer and linguist talking about galiza and brazil: https://youtu.be/lNvV9RNz2yg

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eszett [#111]

é simplesmente porque o português é uma língua cantada e harmônica que favorece a poesia (é dita como a língua mais melancólica existente, e creio que isso se comprova nos poemas de Pessoa)

🫵🤡

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eszett
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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#117]

🫵🤡

isso daí já é corrupção da cultura, sendo bem sincero
basta ouvir um bom bossa nova ou ler qualquer canto camoniano/poema de pessoa

#119
Acerbus
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eszett [#116]

what i could say is that northeastern dialect of brazilian portuguese carries a lot of old portuguese and galician elements and that's why it's more understandable for us than portugal's portuguese (this one changed a lot compared to 1500's)
a brazilian writer and linguist talking about galiza and brazil: https://youtu.be/lNvV9RNz2yg

Very interesting... thank you for sharing! ^^

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Nosk [#105]

What are the top 3 languages ​​spoken in spain.
Excluding english

Do you mean foreign languages? Or from Spain itself?

#121
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Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese, Greek and French

#122
SENTINELA_SACY_FAN
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eszett [#118]

isso daí já é corrupção da cultura, sendo bem sincero
basta ouvir um bom bossa nova ou ler qualquer canto camoniano/poema de pessoa

🫵🤡

#123
furyufbutyounger
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emirerays [#95]

arabic ney

Objektif olmak gerekirse dünyanın en iyi dili, kelime hazinesi geniş ve aynı zamanda çok edebi bir dil.

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emirerays
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furyufbutyounger [#123]

Objektif olmak gerekirse dünyanın en iyi dili, kelime hazinesi geniş ve aynı zamanda çok edebi bir dil.

kelime haznesi geniş mi ? seni kandırmışlar dostum, bunun arapçada farklı anlamı var diye.

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eszett [#113]

i agree with spanish but also think that spanish is sexy af

Ong bro latinas on top

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emirerays [#124]

kelime haznesi geniş mi ? seni kandırmışlar dostum, bunun arapçada farklı anlamı var diye.

aynen sen cok biliyon

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Japanese

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Carlosfera [#115]

Portuguese and Spanish are beautiful! Japanese is funny, specifically the japanese casters, I like it! I don't like English, it sounds too "uncivilized", but I kinda like Russian... Don't know why.

fuh you talm bout lil bro imma reck yo shi on sight cuh fr

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Acerbus [#104]

Ah, y respondiendote a lo que has dicho mas abajo sobre el catalán... Yo soy de Aragón y eso de que has dicho de que el catalán se hablaba en el Reino de Aragon es falso. Se hablaba en la Corona de Aragon, al igual que el aragonés y el latin, en Aragon se hablaba aragonés. No te lo digo en plan faltada ni de malas, eh, pero honestamenete no me gusta que se tergiverse la historia diciendo que se hablaba catalán aqui en Aragon.

Culpa mia entonces

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61Hiko [#126]

aynen sen cok biliyon

evet

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Acerbus [#120]

Do you mean foreign languages? Or from Spain itself?

Languages from within Spain

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Nosk [#131]

Languages from within Spain

Catalan, Galician and Valencian (which is very similar to Catalan). In that order

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