True great IGL’s make their players better. FNS/ANGE1/SAADHAK make their teammates better, Yay and ardiss where the only ones well known B4 they joined those rosters. Botster has done nothing but pick up talent and replace everyone around him. Definition of FRAUD.
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Shownu [#4]Saadhak and FNS spawned with good teammates yet Boaster made finals with far worse rosters than them. Boaster is clear.
Boaster made it to finals with worse teammates (one finals where they got pounded by SENTINELS)
Shownu [#4]Saadhak and FNS spawned with good teammates yet Boaster made finals with far worse rosters than them. Boaster is clear.
fax, boaster made finals with mistic and doma while fns and saadhak had aspas less and jimzo yay
Shownu [#4]Saadhak and FNS spawned with good teammates yet Boaster made finals with far worse rosters than them. Boaster is clear.
Shownu (Fnatic D Rider) Detected
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zardinez [#9]Boaster made it to finals with worse teammates (one finals where they got pounded by SENTINELS)
Excatly. They lost to a far better team at the time and he had Doma Mistic and Magnum. Magnum improved a lot since then but at the time it was basically IGL Boaster and Derke
zardinez [#9]Boaster made it to finals with worse teammates (one finals where they got pounded by SENTINELS)
Got pounded on by a team we all now consider to be FRAUDS!!!
babi [#12]Shownu (Fnatic D Rider) Detected
Opinion rejected
Lil bro you need to worry about making your team making playoffs
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]fax, boaster made finals with mistic and doma while fns and saadhak had aspas less and jimzo yay
Yay is poopy now
Shownu [#13]Excatly. They lost to a far better team at the time and he had Doma Mistic and Magnum. Magnum improved a lot since then but at the time it was basically IGL Boaster and Derke
"Basically Boaster and Derke"
Shownu [#13]Excatly. They lost to a far better team at the time and he had Doma Mistic and Magnum. Magnum improved a lot since then but at the time it was basically IGL Boaster and Derke
Where is that SEN roster now?? Doing just as bad as those players botster had to replace.
CremeOnToast [#14]Got pounded on by a team we all now consider to be FRAUDS!!!
Original Sentinels was never frauds, they were far ahead of anybody else when they were on top, just because they got overtaken doesn't mean they were ever frauds
Ailed [#11]That doesnt make him any worse IMO, calling and "coaching" are two vastly different skill sets and just because he failed to make his old roster one of the best doesnt make him a worse igl.
the fact you're getting downvoted for speaking facts shows how much this site hates Boaster
CremeOnToast [#19]Where is that SEN roster now?? Doing just as bad as those players botster had to replace.
Worse even, Derke and boaster are world class while TenZ has some questionable performances(still the goat tho)
CremeOnToast [#14]Got pounded on by a team we all now consider to be FRAUDS!!!
TenZ and sick are still good
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#21]yeah but not 1.5-1 year ago lil bro
When fns was on his team? Kinda proving the point of the post no?
ColdWKey [#23]the fact you're getting downvoted for speaking facts shows how much this site hates Boaster
yeah idk. Dont get me wrong I'm more than happy to praise saadhak for making a zero to hero roster and FNS for turning mediocre players into the best but boaster has consistently made LANS and has shown his calling proficiency. Its about time he has actual talent for him to really prove himself. just because he didnt turn his previous rosters into top teams shouldn't reflect on his ability to igl.
Also IMO "making players better" often falls on the coach, not on the igl. the whole concept of crediting solely an IGL with making their teammates better is weird asf
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]fax, boaster made finals with mistic and doma while fns and saadhak had aspas less and jimzo yay
they both grinded with these players and came on the top, not by just picking the best players up
Pengu12 [#24]Worse even, Derke and boaster are world class while TenZ has some questionable performances(still the goat tho)
The goat will be back in form during LCQ:)
Ailed [#11]That doesnt make him any worse IMO, calling and "coaching" are two vastly different skill sets and just because he failed to make his old roster one of the best doesnt make him a worse igl.
If you make good calls then your players look better that is a 100% fact. Instead of making world class calls he relies on picking up world class players. Mark my words once this roster isn’t getting podiums every event there will instantly be changes
babi [#17]"Basically Boaster and Derke"
Let's completely erase the entire progress of qualifying and making it to the finals.
Shownu [#37]Let's completely erase the entire progress of qualifying and making it to the finals.
So you choose to ignore the GRAND FINALS RESULT. Literally THE MOST IMPORTANT MATCH.
Your brain is something else
Flumplestiltski [#38]So you choose to ignore the GRAND FINALS RESULT. Literally THE MOST IMPORTANT MATCH.
Your brain is something else
They don't get to finals without Derke and Boaster. Derke probably had his worst series but that's common when your executes fail and you die as lone duelist on the site every round.
Suygetsu was the best player on ForZe and 2nd best CIS sentinel b4 he joined FPX, you can read my post history from 2021 I called for Na'Vi Suygetsu(back when Na'Vi had roster with Cloud and ssk) or FPX Suygetsu all the time and it happened actually. Shao was also incredible even when FPX were losing, Zyppan too.
ashwagandha [#40]bro knows the right time to farm NA upvotes
Just right in time for afternoon upvote boost.
EMEAstan [#18]Dumb take. All of the other igls you listed had overall better players than every previous iteration of Fnatic. Woaster is the #1 igl
“all other igls had overall better players than every previous iteration of fnatic”
optic had yay (true), marved (what many argued to be a one event wonder at reykjavik), victor (“MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER!!! kick this guy!!!”), and crashies (zero recognition for being a good player until lock//in).
fns still made it work, despite himself having dog awful aim added into the mix.
a truly great igl does not need a SUPERTEAM to win. this doesn’t mean boaster isn’t a good igl (he definitely is), it just means he isn’t as impressive as saadhak and fns. saadhak and fns each took rookies and turned them into world-class players while boaster took already incredible players and successfully worked them into a great team.
Shownu [#39]They don't get to finals without Derke and Boaster. Derke probably had his worst series but that's common when your executes fail and you die as lone duelist on the site every round.
especially when ur teammates gave birth to EU FLASH meme
aylez [#44]“all other igls had overall better players than every previous iteration of fnatic”
optic had yay (true), marved (what many argued to be a one event wonder at reykjavik), victor (“MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER!!! kick this guy!!!”), and crashies (zero recognition for being a good player until lock//in).
fns still made it work, despite himself having dog awful aim added into the mix.
a truly great igl does not need a SUPERTEAM to win. this doesn’t mean boaster isn’t a good igl (he definitely is), it just means he isn’t as impressive as saadhak and fns. saadhak and fns each took rookies and turned them into world-class players while boaster took already incredible players and successfully worked them into a great team.
agreed. In terms of calling i would say saadhak boaster and fns are pretty close. Its where their accomplishments more or less set them apart, which makes saadhak and fns look a lot better
aylez [#44]“all other igls had overall better players than every previous iteration of fnatic”
optic had yay (true), marved (what many argued to be a one event wonder at reykjavik), victor (“MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER!!! kick this guy!!!”), and crashies (zero recognition for being a good player until lock//in).
fns still made it work, despite himself having dog awful aim added into the mix.
a truly great igl does not need a SUPERTEAM to win. this doesn’t mean boaster isn’t a good igl (he definitely is), it just means he isn’t as impressive as saadhak and fns. saadhak and fns each took rookies and turned them into world-class players while boaster took already incredible players and successfully worked them into a great team.
^^^
Marved was picked up from faze when Babybay was considered their best player🤣🤣🤣
Try comparing him, crashes and victor to LEO/Chronicle/Alfajer is insane
Mortadelo [#48]Dude brought tier 2 players Mistic/Doma/Enzo/Magnum to top 4 internationally, but alright sure
That was when those players were considered tier 1 tho... You really gonna argue that Zombs is a top 5 smoker and Shahz is still a world class jett?
Itsover [#45]especially when ur teammates gave birth to EU FLASH meme
OMG thanks for reminding me this EU flash meme, I totally forgot about this one XD.
Flumplestiltski [#49]That was when those players were considered tier 1 tho... You really gonna argue that Zombs is a top 5 smoker and Shahz is still a world class jett?
Oh really mistic and Enzo were Tier 1 players? Why were they not picked up by any of the 10 franchising orgs then?? Rosters were made 2 months after Boaster brought them to top 5/6 internationally
Why were Magnum and Doma not get picked up by any org when they got dropped???? Maybe it was FNC who made them that good??
zardinez [#9]Boaster made it to finals with worse teammates (one finals where they got pounded by SENTINELS)
"pounded"
14-12
16-14
13-11
Mortadelo [#52]Oh really mistic and Enzo were Tier 1 players? Why were they not picked up by any of the 10 franchising orgs then?? Rosters were made 2 months after Boaster brought them to top 5/6 internationally
Why were Magnum and Doma not get picked up by any org when they got dropped???? Maybe it was FNC who made them that good??
Bc franchising started 2 years after this LMAO that is my argument bro. I'm saying SEN were great tier 1 player in early 2021 and so was the FNC roster in early 2021. Just like why shahz and zombs MY LITERAL EXAMPLE ABOVE are also not in franchising. How are you not getting this?
Flumplestiltski [#56]Bc franchising started 2 years after this LMAO that is my argument bro. I'm saying SEN were great tier 1 player in early 2021 and so was the FNC roster in early 2021. Just like why shahz and zombs MY LITERAL EXAMPLE ABOVE are also not in franchising. How are you not getting this?
No you're not getting it. Your example does not work because zombs went fucking cc and Shazham was not on a good team before franchising
Let me explain it to you again. Mistic and Enzo placed 5th and 6th in Champions, being the second best team in EMEA. Yet, 2 months after when there is the roster shuffle absolutely nobody wants them. Teams decide there are 10 better smokers than Mistic and 10 better Initiators than Enzo just 2 months after they had had the 2nd best run out of the EMEA teams in Champs
Shazam on the other hand played for Sen before franchising who were a mid tier 1 team who did not manage to qualify for champions. And not even gonna mention the fact that there is half of the spots for players from NA to be picked up than EMEA
bonkashi [#53]derke and alfa were both nobodies before fnc, and derke has definitely only been getting better since he joined
derke was a nobody for EU fans but all 500 CIS viewers who watched CrowCrowd knew that him and Cloud were going to make it big one day. They 2-0d Gambit(already after they swapped Sunset for Redgar) ffs
Mortadelo [#58]No you're not getting it. Your example does not work because zombs went fucking cc and Shazham was not on a good team before franchising
Let me explain it to you again. Mistic and Enzo placed 5th and 6th in Champions, being the second best team in EMEA. Yet, 2 months after when there is the roster shuffle absolutely nobody wants them. Teams decide there are 10 better smokers than Mistic and 10 better Initiators than Enzo just 2 months after they had had the 2nd best run out of the EMEA teams in Champs
Shazam on the other hand played for Sen before franchising who were a mid tier 1 team who did not manage to qualify for champions. And not even gonna mention the fact that there is half of the spots for players from NA to be picked up than EMEA
Bro just bc their are good T2 players who should be T1 does not make your argument valid. There are over a dozen T2 pros in NA that are better than T1 pros but bc of previous rosters/chemistry/followers/etc. they did not get picked up.
We all know enzo is a good player who should def be on KC and would make that team instantly better especially with his calling. Mistic is actually also still a very good player who IMO deserves to be in T1 EMEA but he was dropped by WHO oh ya botster the fraud.
I'm agreeing with the OP bc FNS/Saadhak would not drop players who still have T1 talent. At the time of comparing the SEN roster to the FNC roster they were very close in skill, arguably SEN were better bc they got to Berlin and FNC didnt'. SO ya try and use zombs and shahz's falloffs as a crutch for the fact that Boaster is 100% not an S tier IGL and needs to be carried by his teammates.
ZhangWei [#62]Chill guys it's just NA jealous of EU having the most trophies
Me after winning a Micky mouse trophy
owner [#63]Me after winning a Micky mouse trophy
You mean the first vct major? Yeah that was a mickey mouse tourney
Flumplestiltski [#61]Bro just bc their are good T2 players who should be T1 does not make your argument valid. There are over a dozen T2 pros in NA that are better than T1 pros but bc of previous rosters/chemistry/followers/etc. they did not get picked up.
We all know enzo is a good player who should def be on KC and would make that team instantly better especially with his calling. Mistic is actually also still a very good player who IMO deserves to be in T1 EMEA but he was dropped by WHO oh ya botster the fraud.
I'm agreeing with the OP bc FNS/Saadhak would not drop players who still have T1 talent. At the time of comparing the SEN roster to the FNC roster they were very close in skill, arguably SEN were better bc they got to Berlin and FNC didnt'. SO ya try and use zombs and shahz's falloffs as a crutch for the fact that Boaster is 100% not an S tier IGL and needs to be carried by his teammates.
Or you can see it the other way around, all of the teammates FNS and Saadhack have been to Lan with are franchised now (But gtn and sutecas) meanwhile Boaster made it with objectively worse players? Are you really gonna tell me Mistic and Enzo are even close to any of the OPTC or LOUD players??
Let's assume you're right. Then Boaster made those runs with KC level players?
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]fax, boaster made finals with mistic and doma while fns and saadhak had aspas less and jimzo yay
doma in india rn T_T
Mortadelo [#65]Or you can see it the other way around, all of the teammates FNS and Saadhack have been to Lan with are franchised now (But gtn and sutecas) meanwhile Boaster made it with objectively worse players? Are you really gonna tell me Mistic and Enzo are even close to any of the OPTC or LOUD players??
Let's assume you're right. Then Boaster made those runs with KC level players?
The KC thing was just bc he is french and way better than newzera, xms, and zeish.
And you are objectively proving my point with the franchising example. FNS and Saadhak are taking in new, unproven talent straight into franchising and still performing at a world class level. Botster is not capable of doing that. Every player they pick up is already proven to be talented and even the less well known were scouted by mini, NOT BOTSTER.
FNS and Saadhak have gone to grand finals with different coaches who would have different gameplans/strategies but that does not effect them. FNS is the reason they got S0m and Saadhak is the one who scouted Tuyz and Cauanzin. As I said above I do think Enzo and Mistic are still T1 talent and believe if you gave them IGL's like FNS and Saadhak they would be capable to winning tournaments. B4 FNS and Saadhak the players from those rosters where nobodies, you cannot say the same for Botsters teammates unless you go back to 2020 bc practically everyone then is not relevant now.
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]fax, boaster made finals with mistic and doma while fns and saadhak had aspas less and jimzo yay
nobody outside from brazil knew aspas and less b4 loud, they were 2 ranked demons, saad and sacy made them play in their full potential
Flumplestiltski [#67]The KC thing was just bc he is french and way better than newzera, xms, and zeish.
And you are objectively proving my point with the franchising example. FNS and Saadhak are taking in new, unproven talent straight into franchising and still performing at a world class level. Botster is not capable of doing that. Every player they pick up is already proven to be talented and even the less well known were scouted by mini, NOT BOTSTER.
FNS and Saadhak have gone to grand finals with different coaches who would have different gameplans/strategies but that does not effect them. FNS is the reason they got S0m and Saadhak is the one who scouted Tuyz and Cauanzin. As I said above I do think Enzo and Mistic are still T1 talent and believe if you gave them IGL's like FNS and Saadhak they would be capable to winning tournaments. B4 FNS and Saadhak the players from those rosters where nobodies, you cannot say the same for Botsters teammates unless you go back to 2020 bc practically everyone then is not relevant now.
I hard disagree but I'm not gonna make 10 more posts, so alright if that's what you wanna think
Mortadelo [#70]I hard disagree but I'm not gonna make 10 more posts, so alright if that's what you wanna think
Just ignore the facts about scouting, winning with different coaches, and using untested talent but fair enough
babi [#35]The goat will be back in form during LCQ:)
The form never left him, lcq will be time for him to farm
Flumplestiltski [#71]Just ignore the facts about scouting, winning with different coaches, and using untested talent but fair enough
Bruh are you really gonna say Boaster doesn't scout the players? Literally all the signings FNC has ever made but Leo and Chronicle have come straight out of tier 2? Who tf has FNS scouted? som? or ardiis?
Flumplestiltski [#67]The KC thing was just bc he is french and way better than newzera, xms, and zeish.
And you are objectively proving my point with the franchising example. FNS and Saadhak are taking in new, unproven talent straight into franchising and still performing at a world class level. Botster is not capable of doing that. Every player they pick up is already proven to be talented and even the less well known were scouted by mini, NOT BOTSTER.
FNS and Saadhak have gone to grand finals with different coaches who would have different gameplans/strategies but that does not effect them. FNS is the reason they got S0m and Saadhak is the one who scouted Tuyz and Cauanzin. As I said above I do think Enzo and Mistic are still T1 talent and believe if you gave them IGL's like FNS and Saadhak they would be capable to winning tournaments. B4 FNS and Saadhak the players from those rosters where nobodies, you cannot say the same for Botsters teammates unless you go back to 2020 bc practically everyone then is not relevant now.
damn all this for hating on one player?
zardinez [#9]Boaster made it to finals with worse teammates (one finals where they got pounded by SENTINELS)
bruddy what is this L take
do u even know the scorelines of the SEN vs FNC finals
it was 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11
it was the closest shit ever
Pengu12 [#2]Alfa?
W
all these FNATIC haters jealous of the #1 team are downfragging kekw
these guys downfragging are also the fuckin tier 2 NA watchers kekwwwww
CremeOnToast [#47]^^^
Marved was picked up from faze when Babybay was considered their best player🤣🤣🤣
Try comparing him, crashes and victor to LEO/Chronicle/Alfajer is insane
marved was igling faze 2 months before he joined envy, ofcourse babybay would be better and he was destroying everyone considering faze were at that time 2nd on NA, crashies was the best initator along sacy last year and vic was always a great player from envy days, due to chamber meta he had to hard entry and the amount of impact he got gets ignored by dumbfucks like you
sentinelmain377 [#75]bruddy what is this L take
do u even know the scorelines of the SEN vs FNC finals
it was 14-12, 16-14, and 13-11
it was the closest shit ever
NA viewers mad their fav 2 mid teams are out of playoffs , So posting L threads hating better teams
A way of coping. A lot of them dont even know what they are talking about
Shownu [#15]Lil bro you need to worry about making your team making playoffs
bro u are hated so much here
Change name lol
owner [#63]Me after winning a Micky mouse trophy
Even discounting lock in, emea has more trophies than na
owner [#63]Me after winning a Micky mouse trophy
a way of coping here in vlr is calling LOCK/IN mickey mouse tourney 🤡🤡🤡
babi [#17]"Basically Boaster and Derke"
I remember this match.... Sentinels was on the top of their game...derke who was extremely aggressive was getting mauled down by Sen...I mean yeah it's no excuse but man that Sen was godly...they literally were prepared to tackle Derke and it showed
Shame things changed a lot tho
alecksdesk [#85]agree
bro was out here spitting facts long before b0tster twerked on stage and then went home
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