C9 vs fnatic | VLR.gg

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Assuming they beat KRU easily like they should, they'll only be second to fnatic when it comes to round differential with 3x the maps lost (+71, 3 maps vs +92, 1 map), and by a thin margin at that.
If fnatic loses to NAVI, then C9 can overtake them, but we all know that's quite unlikely.

leaf gets just under 2x as many first kills as first deaths, more assists per round than the majority of Americas' duelists, and has crazy consistency.
derke is ever so slightly behind leaf in the FK/FD department, at 1.75x as many FK as FD, a bit behind the curve when it comes to APR, but still has crazy consistency.

runi > boaster skillwise, tough to say who's a better caller.

alfajer > zellsis skillwise, but the presence/motivation zellsis brings is unparalleled

chronicle > xeppaa. man's insane

leo is clearly best init in the world, not even close. runi's got work to put in

who yall got winning?

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Stopped reading at Runi over Boaster skill wise

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fragile SHITMEA ego shattered :(

quick, you can still save it by watching Boaster Tik Tok!

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Shownu

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Cringe bait, try again.

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Not a bait, you just suck and your takes are shit

Drop Boaster and maybe Fraudnatic would earn the pedestal you put them on

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Shownu

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Did you finally finish your school homework to have the time to type horseshit again?

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shownu vs babysasuke coughing baby vs coughing baby

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sentinelmain377

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waa waa waa
babysasuke why do u cry so much?
such a little baby

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1cameh

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explain. runi is performing consistently better when it comes to fragging, like i said, likely not a better IGL, but im not sure how you can claim boaster is more skilled. he has his moments, but isn't extremely consistent

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there are levels to this game. if fragging was everything c9 would've done better at lock in. when it will come to c9 vs fnc, it wont matter if boaster frags more than runi, or anyone else. boaster just needs to frag like his average and call like he always does.if fragging was a criteria, fns would've been the most fraud player to touch any esports, but he's the best igl out there

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I would say fnatic just cause they been tested already, but it wouldn’t be crazy if c9 won

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FNC wins easily, why is this even a question?

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For now,its fair to rate c9 as the better team,but i think they got the potential to overtake them
Edit: oops brainfart,meant fnatic as the better team dont mind me

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I have fnatic winning it. They are seriously too strong

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1cameh

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id agree. c9 has potential but isnt internationally proven

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FNC

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forgot to mention that jakee CLEARS boaster. since you compared leo to runi its only fair + xeppa betta

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Another day, another braindead thread comparing individual players to decide which team is better

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1cameh

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i didnt make a claim about who was better you fragile donkey. fnatic would win

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yoboikingkong

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you coped by making comparison among individual players

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1cameh

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what are you even trying to say here?

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Nice bait

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bro
Fnatic> loud> navi> c9

relax

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1cameh

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LOUD is likely hiding stuff for masters, but i dont think you can really say they've definitively over C9 after what they've been showing. struggling against EG, KRU, getting blown out by NRG
NAVI have some shit cooked up for sure, these Yoru comps are so troll but they're locked in so i guess we'll see how they do there. same as LOUD though - with current form, i dont think we can definitively say they're better than c9

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Daddyzin

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loud defeated c9 and loud uses the same comps from split lotus etc since lockin

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1cameh

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they beat c9 week 2 of a roster with a brand new IGL while getting blown out on one map that LOUD have been picking since then. not really sure what using the same comps has to do with anything, like i said, they might have stuff cooked up, but the argument that loud won over a month ago isnt really feasible here

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I don’t think c9 beat Navi so let’s not even talk about fnatic

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1cameh

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fair enough. we'll just have to see

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fnatic are way too strong : main reason is not derke or boaster : its chronicle

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c9 excels at counterstratting tbh. SEN keeps letting pancada and marved lurk? send someone to shut that down. LEV plays too disciplined? W key their ass even on post-plants on their map pick. C9 adapts their playstyle to what the other team does and i think that'll give them the leg up, even if derke is slightly better than leaf or alfajer is slightly better than zellsis.

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fr we've also yet to see the og counterstrat team old fpx/navi play fnatic, so it will kinda be indicative of how a potential c9vfnatic matchup could end up

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emirerays

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Slightly ? Oh hell nah

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aylez

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alfajer is significantly better than zellsis idk what you are on.

derke, leo, chronicle are ALL better than c9’s players individually. boaster versus jakee is arguable since they are both inconsistent.

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Fnatic scared of C9 ngl

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Is Fnatic really that ahead compared to other top teams? NRG, LOUD, DRX, Navi and C9. These teams have some of the best players in the world. Vic, RB and Zyppan are great flex players. MaKo is the best controller in the world, S0m and Jakee has been really consistent so far. Leaf and Aspas some of the best Jett players, Foxy might be up there too and Ardiis slowly getting comfortable. Crashies and Shao some of the best initiators etc. I think all of these teams have insane players that should be able to compete with Fnatic. And all of these teams have some of the best IGLs in the scene. I feel like the gap between these teams should be close no?

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1cameh

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fnatic has
#1 initiator
#1 flex
#1 or #2 duelist
#3 IGL (after FNS and saadhak)
#2 sentinel (skillwise, not brainwise)

none of the other teams are that close

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experience matters most
C9 is mad skilled i agree but what if they crumble under pressure when it mattered?

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1cameh

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that's what im thinking too, they do have hella potential if they can get their mental in line though. feel like jake is the main weak point but he has some insane moments as is, and he's so young

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C9 will crush these noobs

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dapada

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another day another recency bias overhyping unproven team in a s-tier tournament
it would be funny as hell if c9 flops tokyo--or better yet, playoffs

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1cameh

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Each day, it seems there's yet another VLR user who, without reading the entire thread they're commenting on, fails to realize that their claim lacks coherence.

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dapada

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Was meant to reply to the guy above me, hence the "another day"
My bad

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1cameh

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All good broski, have a good night