Its so sad that the one time FNC wins a tourney, they bring about an entire season of mediocrity to come. Not from FNC themselves but the fact that theyve secured another slot for EMEA is depressing. I honestly dont think any team in EMEA right now as their teams stand (other than TL) will be able to compete at the top level. All the teams just scream mediocre.
I think Americas is clearly the most stacked region and they definitely deserve that 4th slot more than EMEA and Pacific
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I highly doubt FUT is 8th in EMEA with the way they played. Even if they are tho it was pretty clear 100T could easily win but they were under the stress from the tournament and they were choking. It was their theme the entire tourney and it is what it is. They need to gain their confidence again and get back to the level they were at in Champs cause weve already seen what level these players can play at.
yea but it isnt because theyre bad but because they were choking hard. Weve already seen 100T play at a high level but since sean left they just havent had the confidence to play the way they did before. Its like a fighter jett without a pilot. What use is a powerful jet without a jet pilot? Either Mikes needs to get his shit together or get a really good in game coach
"they rolled fnc before"
FNC with Enzo and Mistic who are 100x worse than leo and chronicle
and even then, 100T ended up losing to them anyways.
And sure Cryo is an upgrade over Will but Will played better against FNC than Cryo did.
You are straight up delusional
100T were BAAAAD this tournament. they may improve in the future, just like everyone other team in the world, but for now they are horrid. Cope.
NRG isnt really ahead of LEV i just think they are a little better. And SEN isnt ahead of anyone they just have big names. They cant even beat their t2 scene and they didnt look like a match for FNC. 100T are good but they still barely won against one of the weakest EMEA teams. Saying they are 1000% ahead is delusional
SEN were literally the only team apart from loud and Navi that put up a decent fight.
100T constantly threw and they started winning rounds on Icebox when FNC were just absolutely trolling.
Furia pulled out a weird ass comp tho i will give them credit on haven they are really good tho i dont think theyre much more than that. FNC didnt play too well against Furia but they looked super solid and drilled against SEN.
With the way Navi got rolled tho id comfortably claim that SEN are pretty good near the top of NA.
Their split defense was completely fine, Sen were a pretty standardly good team but they went against the sharpest spear in valorant history. FNC are just that much better, weve seen them destroy other teams on other maps, hell they even rolled an insane team like Navi. By the end of the game Navi looked like they were just stuck, it was similar to how sen just didnt know what to do to adapt to a team that just shoots you whenever you try anything, or brim ults, fade seizes, kayo flashes, and flanks 3 of your team in one go before they have a chance to react.
Sen looked worse cause of how well FNC read and adapted to everything sen were doing. Sen had holes and you just cant have that against FNC, they also could use their insane talent to out aim FNC cause its pretty much an even or slightly leaning towards FNC (heavily on the day) in terms of mechanical talent.
FNC stuck with their core while Sen are p much a shell of Xset + better players. Ofc FNC were gonna win 10/10 times
thats just your bias speaking if thats the case. Literally 2 EMEA teams made it past the second stage and only 2 more even got to participate in the second stage. Keep in mind EMEA has 2x the amount of teams that NA does. The only NA team that didnt make second stage was Sentinels and they lost to the dominant champions of lockin
Its crazy how some of you can be so unbelievably biased that you actually believe the shit you say.
I love EMEA teams and FNC are fs in contention for my number 1 team but I know when theyre shit and when they arent.
Kolda is one of the nost creative igls out there and minimum top 5 if not top 3 in EMEA which is a much better igl region than NA. Trexx and Sheydos are world class players. Admittedly starxo is only a mid af roleplayer and wolfen hasnt shown his level of performance he had in tier 2 yet but the core of the former 3 is super strong.
oh yea lets just randomly claim out of nowhere that Giants had absolutely no practice. Makes sense honestly, it wasnt like they had great execs and site holds with coordinated utility usage especially on Lotus or anything. So yea theyre probably gonna be the greatest team in the world honestly my bad
not really
based on what we've seen there's noticeable gaps in all 3 regions between the top and the mid teams
EMEA has NaVi and Fnatic atm, Americas have Loud and NRG and Pacific have DRX
The one thing id note is that the brazilian teams (mainly furia) are ahead in terms of meta (and could very well be considered top tier because of it) since they and loud have incorporated harbor well on maps (especially Louds icebox comp being amazing af); but other teams should be able to catch up till the next international in that regard
Talent wise its just impossible to compare the region's teams atm since the tourneys format was only good for finding out who the best team was, with anything below being based on our personal judgement rather than results
And yet they ended up having a significantly worse performance vs NaVi than for example KC did vs Loud (and I do not rate KC highly to put my opinion on them kindly)
I'm not saying they're not a good team, they're have one of the best coaches in valorant (imo) and amazing fragging power, I'm saying there's currently a gap between them and Loud/NRG
a bad game doesnt dictate a teams skill, this is what i cant stand about valo tards its almost like yall have only ever interacted with valorant esports and think youre a scholar on the subject.
There are so many variables that you have to take into account, a team cant be 100% every game and sometimes they even fall to less than 50% of their typical level but that doesnt mean theyre a bad team, they just need to bounce back.
Lev wouldve put up a really good fight against Navi had they been playing the way they did in their match against Zeta. Zeta didnt even look bad as well, Lev were just that much better
im not shitting on FNCs win at all. If anything theyre the only team i wanted to win the event bar DRX (tho I knew DRX were never gonna win).
The region just is average its a fact. They didnt look impressive at all and so many top EMEA players werent even picked up for franchising, instead we got losers like starxo taking a spot on KOI.
Also yes I am judging the teams based on 1 game, but again the world isnt black and white kid. You can give different treatment to different scenarios IF theres justification.
I cant justify judging every team on just 1 game but lets take TL for example. On paper they should be a top contender in EMEA but they werent. We could say ofc maybe they had a bad game against TS, but what are the chances of that? Did TS rlly do anything after beating TL? Did TS look impressive or did TL look lost? If thats what bad looks like for TLs standards, could their good really look that much better?
Its the most basic questions like this that you ask yourself when taking into account the skill of a team. I have in my head all the justifications and ive spread my opinion. If you wanna refute it then give me facts, explain to me why im wrong. The fact that almost no one has done that yet just proves my point
... you mean the thing I said at the bottom of my first reply with that this tourney isnt good for determining definitive ranking and that its subjective?
yes im aware of that and proceeded under the assumption that you had the reading comprehension to take my stance on that into account reading my following reply
you see the problem is the exact same thing you gave lev could be applied to other teams too. "Giants should have rolled NRG if they had outplayed nrg like they did Detonation, just a bad game, clearly they are better" - its just a pointless argument.
This tournament Lev were not a top tier team for their region; whether it was them underperforming, or whatever tf factor it was (we quite simply dont know), they didn't preform like Loud did.
But yes, technically the only team we know for certain that was good is fnatic, every other team is a question mark to some extend since it was single elim
thats an inane assessment cause there wasnt any proof that Giants played objectively worse or substantially worse against NRG than they did against DFM.
If you cant understand simple argument like that then there isnt a point in arguing cause to you clearly results are all that matter.
If a team loses in the first round then that must mean theyre worse than every team that made the second round. Its such an elementary way of thinking and its crazy how many of you think that way.
You assess the game, not the scoreboard. Thats how analysts are made and thats how they get jobs and become credible. Thats why you see so many knowledgeable people talk about how some games were closer than the scoreline would suggest
100%, I had them beating NaVi and TL (... yea...) in my own pickems
The stuff Onur was able to do with Kru mid tourneys has him as one of my top coaches so I expected Lev to get really far + the scrimbux was sounding super good
My reply is only about Lev as a snapshot during this tourney since thats what the original post is worried about (cause we have 0 idea who all the teams will shape up during the next season)
I might be super duper biased since I followed saadhak, frz and bonkar (+ the rest of the original nip team) here from paladins, but as long as saadhak is in your region im positive you guys will have a good shot at being ahead in the meta; dudes been consistently making good comps for a while now and has shown a great understanding when it comes to setups with new champs
the fact that BR teams will now (I assume at least) regularly scrim in NA, where theres optic nrg who also have been meta defining in the past year, will help too
its simple your region is weaker than emea in this tournament accept the fact and move on even KC who is considered by many users here as a weaker team only lost to Loud (the finalist and former champion) so your point doesn't make any sense you can't judge teams based on this tournament alone because if we do that then TL is weaker than KC based on their performance and stats
LOUD
Lev
NRG
Furia
MIBR (on paper)
EG (well made strats that just need more developing)
SEN
100T
All these teams I feel will be better than the EMEA competitors tho, I feel like I saw much more from them. I have no hope for KOI, i never thought they were good to begin with and i dont expect them to get better. Giants have potential but not the potential like the teams i mentioned above
Pacific has been getting much better. Zeta looked really good, Talon far exceeded the XIA team and I was amazed that they looked to almost be going toe to toe with DRX and PRX will also come back as long as they dont troll.
Funny enough Pacific were the ones with the greatest jump in talent from single teams. Talon and Zeta are looking really solid and fundamentally sound, esp Talon. I think they could genuinely dethrone DRX (Maybe Zeta doing that is a reach but i believe Talon could)
trust me bro pacific is doomed 💀
our only hope is DRX, and outside of that there's probably GENG, TLN, and TS fighting for the top 3 pacific, but even for them I highly doubt they can stand a chance against top 3 teams from EMEA/Americas.
also ZETA is definitely didn't look good at all. PRX realize that they can't outaim anyone like what they did on APAC for the past 2 years, GE and RRQ still experimenting shit, and DFM and T1 is garbo.
Dep is not a great duelist, Laz can't output as much as when he's on chamber, basically got carried by the chamber meta, and sugarzero is not on his peak anymore, it's been apparent for the last 3 tournaments their in. if I base this on a scoreline I would give more props to zeta bruh they had a close map. and I guarantee you they definitely didn't look "very noticeably better than last time". I thought everyone already knew that zeta reykjavik run was just a fluke. because now they're like 5th-8th on Pacific.
I hope you're baiting bro cuz if you're serious on every of your argument on this post idk what to say 💀
Im not comparing them wiht their iceland run, im talking about their drop off. Theyve been at the bottom for so long and they havent played anywhere near this well post iceland. The iceland run was definitely a fluke but they played much better against Lev than their performances the past 2 tourneys.
The individuals arent what im talking about, you dont have to have cracked players to be a good team
"I highly doubt FUT is 8th in EMEA with the way they played. Even if they are tho it was pretty clear 100T could easily win but they were under the stress from the tournament and they were choking. It was their theme the entire tourney and it is what it is. They need to gain their confidence again and get back to the level they were at in Champs cause weve already seen what level these players can play at."
"KOI is ballsacks. I dont know where the fuck people get the idea theyre good. Koldamenta is hella oldschool, hes pretty good with fundamentals but not much more, trexx is cracked and sheydos was p bad at lockin
Dont even fucking get me started on the one time wonderkid starxo"
the difference lmfao
it is fs exaggeration. I wouldnt say KOI are better than FUT but in terms of expectation and what people place them those reactions sum up my opinions.
KOI were constantly put high up in EMEA for ZERO REASON, aint none of their players do anything in the past year yet for some reason theyre regarded as a stacked team. They were fs BALLSACKS for that kinda expectation that people placed on them.
FUT meanwhile were said to be the shittiest team in EMEA and that they wouldnt even be able to take 8 rounds total across the series, for that expectation my reaction was as it was above.
KOI and FUT are much closer than people think they are but i definitely wouldnt put FUT above KOI
"Even if they are tho it was pretty clear 100T could easily win but they were under the stress from the tournament and they were choking. It was their theme the entire tourney and it is what it is. They need to gain their confidence again and get back to the level they were at in Champs cause weve already seen what level these players can play at."
mf 100T peaked at Stage 3 Masters - Berlin💀
what makes you think so highly of them? mickey mouse redbull tourney?
In performance and even on paper Americas has so much more promise than EMEA does. Its crazy cause I think theres so much untapped potential in the tier 2 scene but for some reason no team can scout any good players other than FNC.
There were so many EU players not accepted into franchising that its amazing anyone even thought EMEA as a region were competitive.
I actually don't think this tournament was enough to decide which region are more stacked.
the 2 facts that we get from this tournament is
1- LOUD can be the best team in the world again with this new core (if not the best, at least in the top 3 easily)
2- China def doesn't deserve 2 free slots to Masters Tokyo
AMERICAS - LOUD / NRG (who looked really good from start to end)
EMEA - Na'Vi / Fnatic
PACIFIC - Talon / DRX
By pure logic youd be able to deduce that Americas would end up far more stacked if were to assume the teams all stay the same.
The only actual top contending teams i could see in EMEA would be TL FNC NAVI and MAYBE Giants.
In the americas tho weve already seen the stars in Lev and Loud (even if lev were dismantled by Navi but i feel like thats a lot more nuanced of a discussion regarding map picks and the nature of Levs and Navis playstyles),
- MIBR were also supposed to perform much better than they did considering their players were actually all really promising before franchising.
- SEN are the closest thing to a super team next to the already proven ones.
- EG have really interesting ideas that with development I could see them competing at a sort of area Xset covered in champs.
- 100T definitely have the potential to be around the top as long as they get their mental together.
- Furia looked like they were developing the meta loud were but i guess they just werent as mechanically talented as loud and they also (i THINK) dont have a pre-exisiting core on their roster so itll take time.
- Lev look like an insanely stable fundamental team that just have so much chemistry with each other and i love their playstyle with minimal mistakes.
- And then we have NRG who are definitely already really good and everyone knows it so i dont feel the need to say much about them.
The EMEA teams for the most part looked just really boring and disappointing.
- I already knew Heretics were gonna be bad apart from keloqz so idk why i held hope but i was so disappointed in their game
- Vit look... good, just mediocre, not very impressivee but would be around middling in EMEA
- KOI also just look mediocre they dont seem like a team to contest the 4th spot
- Giants were a little less than i expected them to be but i hold hope for them getting much better and maybe contesting 4th
- TL, I dont even wanna talk about that, all i can do is pray they get better
What im saying is the Americas region just looks so much more interesting (bar MIBR C9 and Kru) and they seem to really be innovating.
Another note, Geng looked p interesting, i liked the style they played I think they might also contend for masters in APAC
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