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Problem with franchising?

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#1
Pengu12

How are we supposed to trust the skill of franchised teams if they only play against other franchised teams?

What happens if ascension becomes more competitive than franchise?

PARLA is an example, I know a lot of the franchise teams they faced were still experimenting but you would expect them to still win

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If Ascension becomes more skill then they ascend? That’s why it’s called ascension

#6
eeeeeeeee
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its only 1 team per year tbf

#7
hanafuji
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it's gonna be 2 in 2026

#23
random_EU_fan
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2026 is fucking miles away bro

#24
EternalXera
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and thats considering valorant esports wont be dead by 2026

#28
OzyMeister
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2026 is miles away but no extraordinary players from Ascension are going to remain stuck in tier2 valo they'll always get picked up by some Franchised team ATLEAST 1/10 teams will show interest in picking up that player if not more

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Mortadelo
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How many teams do you think are gonna become tier 1 a year? The best team ascends and the rest of the top players on other teams can get picked up

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stratdiff
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i think thats the problem with the franchise system everywhere, in cs you have blastpremier with astralis yet they can't even win rmr againts random eu stack

#5
stratdiff
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shout out to my poland bros los kogutos

#31
acels
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was a bo1, pure fluke from los kogutos

#4
hanafuji
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there's ascension to count for that, in 2026 there'll be like 2 teams every year coming into the ascension so it's all g

#8
Pengu12
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Oh but we will have to watch t1 Valo suffer for a while tho

#14
haizzz
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see this post so many times, short term yes it sucks but long term itll stabilise

#9
firo
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players in franchised teams are skilled? a lot of them the same people we saw doing well prefranchise in vct, thats why they got to franchising? they are new teams still building chemistry and testing stuff, and they will still be praccing with not franchised teams, so if it turns out theyre shit the franchised orgs can replace the players, or they just go for ascension.

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parla is an example of teams scrimming for a year will beat teams scrimming for 2 weeks. though yes parla is one of the best t2 teams in emea. but that doesnt mean teams like giants and vitality are very new

#12
eeeeeeeee
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parla roster is just as new as vitality and giants

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symbols07
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oh didnt know, mb then. still i think this doesnt mean that all teams will be as good as them, and also doesnt mean vit and giants wont improve

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Mortadelo
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I mean depend on what you understand by new, they do have a 3 player core

#11
OnlyOneStar
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There will be always ascension teams who will beat franchise teams i don't think so we will ever see clear big gap between them

#15
trembolonaRage
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atleast in brazil the gap will be insanely bigger bc the franchised teams will move to NA and ascension teams wont be able to pracc against them
our region will be weaker and weaker year by year

#16
my_fav_team_is_M3C
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this season ascension will be more entertaining in NA and EU for sure
i think in near 3 years tier2 scene will be a banger, then orgs will understand things and will buy tier2 teams each season

#19
BackoxyXD
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just they need to give 2 more slot to ascension

#20
HavocWEEB
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take akrew from a while back with the roster gucc107, neon, kanpeki, c0m, paincakes

they would win every single tier 2 tourney in na pretty much and earned the nickname akrewstralis

then when vct came around they didnt make it through in the first qualifier
c0m got picked up by eg and the rest of the roster played with a new fifth for the second qualifier where they didnt make it through once again
after kanpeki got picked up by sentinels

basically if a team is in ascension and is good the players will just get picked up by partnered teams who arent doing well and want to make roster changes
or the team stays together somehow without a single player getting poached and they win ascension

teams like this arent very common and it doesnt happen often that a tier 2 team is so dominant so 1 ascension spot + player getting poached should be enough for franchising to have the best talents at the time and stay better than most of the top ascension teams

#21
100TBoeJiden
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ranks hold back the scene just like franchising

Esports was founded on freedom of movement in merit.

now it’s controlled just like corporate world where only friends get to the top.

but hey at least they auto ban “hate speech” in the game to keep people not bringing up the cronyism.

sad game

#22
my_fav_team_is_M3C
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plus 1
based take

#30
blazennn
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rare 100TBoeJiden W

#25
SnooTangerines
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If a player pops off in ascension, a franchise team will probably just poach that player.

That is what ascension is for anyways. It's a talent feed into the franchise league. I doubt most teams that do well in ascention will stay together because as soon as 1 team performs well, an underperforming franchise team will pick their best player up and now you have a broken ascension team.

It's difficult for new orgs to get in (only 2 per fixed number of years) but players will be cycled continuously.

#27
fapcity
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yea sadly kinda true about the poaching part

#26
KyLZi
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I'm 99% sure that is not going to happen. The franchised teams would have to get so lazy and not care about scouting new talent or winning at all. They have all the money leverage and prestige to attract any talent from ascension. If a promoted ascension team wins champs in the next 4 years Ill delete this account.

#29
Cayub
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The good teams will ascend or have their players bought out

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