if you put a full indian roster the team would go winless

beyn for ivy would be good imo

me too tbh francis and persia are goated

Either drops 30 or drops 10

The shitterbowl

Rookie at the ripe age of 25

DFM is going to be there, not a sneak

Whoa chill out less is still a great player. Even if he baits a little it’s deserved because he’s him

Nah NA is still decent it’s mostly just SA struggling rn due to horrendous coaching and management

My baiter goat

Nah they aren’t furia

nats masterclass

Upsets happen bro

Thanks king

DFM Will be there

Forgot DFM bro

Can it beat the dreaded “Urango Method” though?

Today I woke up and decided I wanted to see liquid beating fnatic. For years, I had only been able to get fnatic beating liquid, but today something clicked—I realized vct scorelines don’t really matter; what matters is what I believe in. Now I know I have liquid beating fnatic without even having to see the vlr page, and even though my family and friends say liquid didn’t beat fnatic, I don’t care, because I know I’m living my truth.
Thank you, vlr community, for making this possible. I encourage others to use this strategy to attain whatever vct stage 2 result they desire.

Today I woke up and decided I wanted to see liquid beating fnatic. For years, I had only been able to get fnatic beating liquid, but today something clicked—I realized vct scorelines don’t really matter; what matters is what I believe in. Now I know I have liquid beating fnatic without even having to see the vlr page, and even though my family and friends say liquid didn’t beat fnatic, I don’t care, because I know I’m living my truth.
Thank you, vlr community, for making this possible. I encourage others to use this strategy to attain whatever vct stage 2 result they desire.

I know they are but losing to Furia would be hilarious

Both those tournaments he wasn’t even the best player on his own team

Praying g2 lose, on a generational hatewatch of that team

Ur not wrong, the downfrags are from the liquid fans coming off the high of beating fnatic

Honestly tried to hatewatch this team since Bangkok but I can’t lie this team is actually decent and entertaining asf

KOI the best team in EMEA but nobody knows it yet

Over the course of two whole teams? Yeah maybe that is fortunate. One win in the Dino era where everyone sucked and most players were washed cs talent. The other wins with a roster consisting of the best igl in europe, the so called most perfect player ever, a young Turkish prodigy, and a top duelist of all time.

Nah he’s good for sure but I don’t think he should be a goat candidate at all. He just got fortunate enough to land a trophy winning roster his first team and then go on to use that clout to join another top team and win more. His stats are high only by nature of nearly always winning. If you have bad stats with fnatic’s winrate and with boaster mind controlling you every second of the game idk what ur doing.

And they fucking dropped him 💀💀💀

B-but surely the boy savior sayonara who dropped stinkers in Red Bull will save them, right?

Liquid is actually good

Yeah I figured. Too many conspiracy theorists out here tryna spread misinformation about them being separate entities.

Really? I thought they were the same guy?

Stax igling is pretty ass icl

chronicle the most overrated player oat
Just good at best, please take him out the goat convo

the Verno of Europe or is Verno the Trexx of Americas

IMO the fnatic comp isn’t flexible enough on attack
Basically fully reliant on slow defaults and if you don’t give them the picks they want it kinda falls apart. Or you can punish the defaults with aggression from defender side.

DFM
come back to this thread when they win champs

Yeah g2 isn’t strong bc valyn is a top igl, more so they just have some of the best teamplay in the world

Home ground advantage

Kamo feels like asuna if he had a brain

is this serious or are you just mad about the list

1. Agree
2. I mean but that’s what you want from a flex player, to play a wide range of agents decently well. Forsaken on average performs better than mediocre on every agent he plays. Just because he isn’t constantly topping the leaderboard like a stats merchant doesn’t mean his performance was mediocre.
3. Agree
4. Nobody said this ever
5. Only when he plays yoru, he’s pretty good on everything else

team decision bro

You could say he looks, faded hahaha

Idk if it’s just me but he feels like he rather be doing anything else besides watch valorant.

Not cool to disrespect a national flag even if you are joking

Crazy because you don’t actually respond to half my points while I made an effort to address everything you said? You say you already went over all this but quite frankly none of what you said feels like an actual direct counter to what I say.

And yes, blowing up the entire APAC region and downsizing every other region just so South America can not have visa and scrim issues feels like destroying the existing system to me over a single regions issues.

You speak of resources being allocated unfairly in the current region system, but I would like you to tell me exactly what those resources are and how they are being allocated in favor of other subregions. The only advantages I can think of are scrim and visa advantages. You are just mindlessly talking about mysterious resources given by separate regions with zero actual basis in reality.

If you ask for criticism but can’t accept when your plan falls apart under scrutiny then it sounds like you weren’t coming into this with an open mind to begin with. You act like you give proper responses but then reference threads that basically have nothing to do with what I said and say you already explained this. Feels like the one that’s not reading is you.

Why are people hating he’s not even that bad

So you are saying you will rather destroy the entire existing VCT ecosystem just to give South America its own region for visa issues? At this point it’s easier to just move the americas venue or split the league into two regional conferences that compete in an international qualifier.

I also think you don’t understand what happened when we gave China a region. They literally didn’t get their own region until the game released in China. Simply put the reason mainland China is getting better is in part due to the influx of player talent and money that comes with releasing a game. The rise of China is not mainly due to getting an official region, more so the official release of the game in the mainland led to orgs forming teams and investment to begin to flow. Even if riot kept its hands off the Chinese domestic scene, as long as they allowed qualification for internationals through some route we would inevitably see Chinese teams rise to the top with the power of domestic money and sponsorships.

Using this as a justification for fragmented regions supposedly being better is honestly nonsense. If anything the regional resources of existing regions are being split into smaller chunks and the quality of the regional fragments is lowered as well.

The Korean subregion doesn’t dominate because of any sort of resource advantage. Yes they have the visa and venue advantage, but APAC teams can all scrim each other relatively easily besides Oceania. Visa issues also are relatively uncommon. The real resource is just the size of the talent pool and that isn’t gonna change if you give them a region. Korea just has one of the world’s strongest gaming cultures to begin with. Point is, giving out new regions doesn’t magically make a region better off. If you put Korea and japan in the same region the Japanese teams aren’t suddenly going to get any better. If Japanese tier two is as held back by their region as you imply then why can they not make ascension?

The posts you point to do not prove anything. If anything, they prove that Europe already has a massive advantage in playerbase and in subregional player talent pool with the amount of flexibility they have to join teams. If you give it its own region while splitting others you are pitting still linguistically divided smaller regions against an extremely flexible and unified EMEA playerbase.

You just completely dismissed my very relevant league of legends example. Yes it’s not valorant and valorant doesn’t have regional dominance, but I’m sure if you implement the EXACT MISTAKES that league JUST STOPPED MAKING then the same result of regional dominance would occur. Riot runs consolidated regions because they work. League is moving away from fragmentation and towards consolidation already. Instead of learning from that you choose to make the same mistakes. Riot has teams of seasoned professionals working on these issues and it’s honestly outlandish that a nobody like you thinks that you have all the solutions. Riot doesn’t have a perfect system, but they have been running esports for almost two decades now. The mistakes they made are being learned from.

Skye gekko harbor all have low pick rate
Breach has been bad for a while