We can start with Something. Nobody says he’s the best player in the world, just that he’s an excellent player. He just won a Masters and came back to be arguably the best player in Pacific stage 2. How is he overrated?

Many of them have accomplished far more than Cryo, that’s a start

I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to it, I’d just worry about trying ANOTHER new agent and comps going into champs

I think they’ll be fine, the extra time and rest will be good for KK to practice more Yoru. Even if they don’t place high at champs, I just want to see them keep improving.

He got 2 aces in one half today… you clearly do not watch cn

They said China has no chance before EDG won’t it so yeah 5% is way too low

Then you don’t know ball

It wasn’t the reason for Ascent but was the reason for lotus. I thought that was pretty clear

Bro he has not been the problem lol

Jieni has been playing pretty well….

As an EDG fan, it was a rough loss. I thought they would’ve won lotus if not for losing both pistols. BLG were just the better team today.

Looking ahead to Champs, I think people are sleeping on how good the Chinese teams are. I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 cn teams make it out of groups. Should be fun to watch

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0/8

You are probably the only person on earth with that opinion

It's easier to have faith when they've actually won something

You got a free map win then lost your own map pick against an inferior opponent. You ended up winning but it looked really sloppy

How can you possibly feel good about TL after this match

Debatable

Because he hasn't done anything on the international stage and his domestic stats aren't anything crazy. There's no way to argue that he should be above players like Something, Jawgemo, Kajaak, etc.

Saw it, still no

Nope

TL are playing well but GX are playing diabolically bad

My guy, it’s not a cultural thing… Less is universally considered a better player than Suygetsu for their careers.

We have no reason to believe that it is over, at least not until PRX loses

says a TL fan....

Not yet but they're ramping up

Then how can he be above KK? KK has been viewed as the better player for almost all of the time they both have been playing. KK has had a much higher peak, and has been the clear best player on his team. Just because Buzz played a bit longer doesn't mean he's greater... cmon man

Putting Suygetsu above Less should be a criminal offense

I think you’re misremembering how good Buzz has been. He’s been an above average player for his career, and has not been spectacular in any tournament. KK has been a legitimate superstar and the best player at a tournament. Buzz was never even considered the best player on his team, it was always Mako and then Meteor.

Also, T3xture objectively would not have won the MVP award for Shanghai. Meteor was just as good in the grand finals and was considerably better than T3xture over the entire tournament.

Least overconfident TL fan

Then there is no argument for Buzz and T3xture to be higher. KK has been a better player for far longer than T3xture, and has a tournament mvp (the others do not). KK has also been better over his career than Buzz

Of all time?? Is this currently or in history?

Buzz and t3xture should not be above KangKang

That’s why I don’t use them lol

It’s an attack-sided comp. The problem is that it doesn’t usually have enough util to retake with on defense

My wife, who is from China, told me that. You don’t know what you’re talking about

Happywei is a great player. I think the reason he struggled so much today is because against most other cn teams he could get away with taking bad fights, as he’d just out-aim them. EDG are good enough mechanically to punish him for that

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2/10. I think NRG have a puncher’s chance but not more than that.

You can actually see his confidence growing from game to game too

Sounds like you saw the same thing I did watching zjc vs Jieni. Jieni util usage was arguably better and he’s mechanically way better than zjc, so I liked the change back

We lookin better

He could always shoot, just EDG is doing a much better job at utilizing his strengths. He’s also playing way more confidently

Weirdly it’s an attack sided comp

I want whatever you’re smoking

In basically every sport teams who already qualified for playoffs/tournament can eliminate teams from qualifying

Yeah, and he does have some time before champs to keep working on it

KK’s Yoru isn’t great but idk what other people are watching. It’s really not that bad

He’s for sure top 10 but top 5 is arguable, depends on how much value you place on certain aspects of their careers

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