not a big bind omen believer tbh

but heavy fw icebox omen, especially before they changed the crates near B cubby

i play with/against a harbor on abyss fairly often actually

maybe its just me though

harbor is not underrated on abyss LOL

but the rest I agree

another good one is Phoenix Sunset

I got a three big ones I think are slept on

Brim on Icebox - Ok hear me out, you still need a viper for defense, but he's actually so OP for attack if you can get bomb down without man disadvantage. The postplant molly buys so much time, and the stim is also perfect for attack because attack on icebox you're just running back and forth in spawn during the midrounding

Sage on Bind - Wall for safe plant on A, the slows are really good to stop site hits and floods, and having a sage heal midround + the skye heal is so nice. (just don't be named ardiss)

Brim on Ascent - not having the omen blind is tough, but the smokes last longer and the molly / ult are really impactful

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/nytrizu%23court/overview

Proof : https://www.vlr.gg/391577/tracker-4-tracker #35

those are the peaks during the acts genius, not where he ended them. I can find you random ass players that have been #1 or top 10 at some point because they played a bunch at the start of the act

Neon is buffed E8A3 June 11th, towards the very end of the act (ends June 25th).

E6A2 is the first time he hits imm3

From E6A2 -> E8A3 he is radiant twice, once on E8A2 (undisclosed where exactly, based off everything previous safe to assume very low), and E8A3, where he is bottom of the barrel #499

Next act, E9A1, with neon buff in full effect he ends top 100, #89

Where does it ever say he was #219/#139 goofball, are you just making shit up? Do you have a different tracker from the rest of us?

The difference between Jingg's raze and Temet (or anyone's) Neon is that Raze is an incredibly skillfull agent. Notoriously hard to be great at (ask koalanoob).

He's not getting his raze value from unskilled game mechanics. And take a look away from pro-play for a second, where would Jingg be if he didn't play raze? He'd still be a top radiant. Because underneath, you still need to be good at the actual game of valorant to be good at raze.

Where would Eggster be without Yoru (the hardest agent in the game that takes alot of game sense to maximize value out of)? Somewhere in radiant.

Where would Temet be without neon? He'd fall off the map, because Neon isn't fundamentally a skill-rewarding agent, it's currently entirely built around run-n-gun.

SUMMARY : HES NOT GOOD AT THE GAME HES JUST GOOD AT NEON, ITS A CRUTCH THAT SIGNIFICANTLY BOOSTS HIM BECAUSE ITS NOT SKILLED. THE SAME IS NOT TRUE FOR EGGSTER OR JINGG, THEY'D STILL BE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY ARE WITHOUT THEIR MAIN BECAUSE THOSE AGENTS REQUIRE SKILL. NOTICE THE PARRALLEL BETWEEN NEON AND PRIME CHAMBER (REREAD THE SUMMARY)

Jesus you think the entire world reduces to statistics? Is the only way to convince you an agent is broken through it having a high pick rate? You know what this reminds me of? The topic of the post: back in fortnite when controller players said aim assist wasn't OP do you know what was their favorite argument? It was that if you looked at the statistics of earnings and placements keyboard players still dominated. It didn't matter what you said or how many obvious ways it was OP or how many shitters were clearly boosted by it, statistically Keyboard players > Controller so at the end of the day you were just cherrypicking. Literally history repeating itself.

I'm gonna explain this one last time:

Neon boosts players above their skill level. Why does it do that? Because the fundamental way they get value is skill-less. You can see this in action from examining temet, and many others across different ranks. Does Temet being a one-trick disprove this? NO. Do you know where eggster would be if he didn't play Yoru for a month? Somewhere in Radiant. Where would Temet be? Fighting for his life in imm1. Every agent has one-tricks. But only some agents are crutches, E.X. Prime Chamber and current Neon. Viper used to be overpowered, but have you ever heard of someone being called viper crutch?

I make a point about how it lets you play substantially above your actual skill level ->

I make other points about how the value you get out of neon is skill-less run-n-gun ->

I give an anecdote about a silver -> you say that's not enough because it's only one case->

I talk about temet - arguably the face of neon - where the exact same thing from the silver case is true -> "doesn't remotely prove my point"

Ok bro whatever you just can't accept the obvious. Do I need to go through every neon player to ever play before I can generalize?

If it's as good as it was last year, 2G is gonna get railed

Abyss, easily her best map

it literally both allowed a silver 1 to cook in a diamond avg lobby, and took a hardstuck imm3 (for 2 entire episodes) 1 trick to a top 100 player instantly

Bang's peak is higher but day-to-day zander > day-to-day bang

She's both

Naming a player who's good with neon and is good without neon (Zekken, Sayf, KangKang, Silentzz, etc), doesn't disprove neon being broken.

Yay being insane without chamber wasn't proof that chamber was balanced.

Yes I would rather die to jetts and raze's every time versus non-stop run and gun bullshit

mf is the most obvious neon crutch and yall trying to say its just singular games. Like did you even watch?

Did you even see Abyss? When he tried to dash CT (braindead play that works on neon) and got sat? mf was lost without his precious run-n-gun

she makes bad players look good is 100% incorrect

Compare Dante's neon yesterday vs his Iso and Jett

PREACH

It probably won't happen until top duelists who benefit from it start calling it out

https://www.vlr.gg/406179/neon-fortnite-aim-assist-and-history

an earthquake destroys your home and you're now homeless

'man people just don't like change'

NO SHIT IF ITS A CHANGE FOR THE WORSE. NOBODY WAS COMPLAINING WHEN STINGER OR CHAMBER GOT NERFED BECAUSE THAT WAS CHANGE FOR THE BETTER

Temet plays at a level far above his actual skill level due to neon, just like my silver friend. All of E6A2-E8A3 Temet is hardstuck imm3/ complete bottom of the barrel radiant (literally #499) Last few days of E8A3 neon gets buffed. The next act he ends #89. Top 100 radiant is notoriously different from bottom radiant, similar to the difference between imm1 and 3 (which is pretty big). Neon's buff (when she became broken) effectively boosted him 2-3 ranks.

I didn't even need to write all that about temet. It's obvious neon is broken, every point I made about her mechanics and game design points to people playing above their skill level with her. There is nothing skillful in being rewarded for bunnyhopping into people who can't effectively shoot back, or hitting accurate moving shots. That game design in and of itself lets you play at a skill level above your actual level, because the fundamental mechanisms its rewarding and is designed around is not skillful.

Well given that N4rrate is basically a perfect fit role wise, it only leaves a room for a smokes player. N4rrate (Fade, Gekko, Skye) and Zellsis (Breach, Kayo) take care of most of init, while duelist is Zekken most of the time, with Zekken taking Sova and N4rrate taking Jett on the Sova/Jett maps. I personally don't believe Jaw > Zander on smokes, based on recent evidence, and I think the vast majority of people agree

• its genuine
• the problem with neon is very stylistically similar to the problem with aim-assist, being different game genres doesn't change that
• they're very comparable, for all three reasons listed in the post
• not against pros obviously, and diamonds vs radiants is overstating it, but there's plenty of players of all ranks getting to places they shouldn't because of neon. all of E6A2-E8A3 Temet is hardstuck imm3/ complete bottom of the barrel radiant (literally #499) Last few days of E8A3 neon gets buffed. The next act he ends #89. Top 100 radiant is notoriously different from bottom radiant, similar to the difference between imm1 and 3 (which is pretty big).
• Yeah thats totally the only reason its not like its the lived experience of most of the val community dealing with neon bullshit almost nonstop. btw if you watched curry today he was calling neon broken for like 2 hours straight
• not as much as FN aim assist, but there's definitely a divide
• Curry was literally talking about it non-stop today
• go and watch the M80 match from today (especially the first two), and tell me how I'm supposed to counter neon, when half the shit you listed didn't stop one of the best teams in the world from getting absolutely obliterated by one. And take special note of Dante's neon performances vs his iso and jett.
• No it can't be said of every agent are you forreal? Has anybody ever been called a KAYO crutch?

ngl i personally fuck with the alfajer to duelist and + elite angle

https://www.vlr.gg/406207/best-case-scenario-rosters

pls put ur answer here too guys I wanna know lol

Interesting

gets cleared by EG screwface

N4rrate is also an insane jett, but also brings a huge agent pool that sen needs based on what they lost (does demon1 play fade, skye, gekko, etc?) He is easily the best fit available for SEN, leaving open a smokes role.

Demon1 doesn't really work, besides brim (easiest smokes in the game) he's only played astra. He's unproven on Omen/Viper which are much harder to master (especially viper).

Tenz unretiring isn't possible (yes in the literal sense it is possible, but that's not the point), and this is meant to be whats possible.

Jawgemo is debatable, but he hasn't played smokes in a long time, meanwhile zander is actively a proven stud on smokes (m80 doesn't go to finals tommorrow if zander doesn't go nuclear on sunset)

Yay is obviously a gamble for the reasons you described, and any rational person in SEN's position goes with zander over yay given the choice.

Dude, using Neon doesn't mean you'll automatically shoot the enemy in the head

Its not like I said playing Neon was an auto-win or that it's impossible to kill her

so when Neon starts sliding with an ult on someone, the game turns into Quake

I don't have as big as a problem with the ult as other people do, ults are supposed to be strong.

The problem is that val guns aren't like quake, so you can't effectively punish/counter neon normally even without the ult (on top of run-n-gun being stupid asf + letting bad players be good)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slander

Slander implies what I said was false or a misrepresentation. The only thing I ever got wrong in those 2 posts was a minor point about Cauanzin being a rookie. People have also stopped trying to contest it, because basically every avenue of cope was covered.

So that topic is over, it's much more important to set the record straight on Neon, which will be looked back like people look back on FN aim assist - bullshit that should've ended earlier than it did.

The point (neon letting people play at a level they shouldn't be at) I was getting at with the anecdote can stand alone. The essence of all my other points (neon being broken) directly imply it. The anecdote was the quickest and easiest way to get the first point across. Was everything I said generally about neon being broken (in conjuction with the anecdote) not enough to support the first point? Do I need to add an analysis on temet's ranked history to further convince you? Just say the word and I will

to be fair he did tag him a tiny bit, and the whole team threw not just sato, as well as everything being impeccably exploited by zander at the same time, wp to him.

I'm specifically interested on what FNC fans consider the best direction for the team to take

+Kaajak or + Xeus?

or maybe an alfa to full duelist and +elite angle?

and what about the boaster situation?

personally I think jawgemo would be the best move, but i respect the runback

bro have you ever watched zander play?

idk why this got downvoted, there is no possible roster move SEN could make that beats that, it's not even debatable.

RIP JessieGOAT

I'll just answer it for SEN fans, because it's objective

N4rrate Zander Johnqt Zekken Zellsis

There is no SEN roster that's possible for next year that's better than that (on paper of course)

What is the best case scenario roster possible next season for your favorite team?

No I made a statement about the nature of neon (It lets terrible players play way above their level), and used an anecdote to support that statement

Although some people interpreted it as only applying in low-mid elo because of the word 'terrible', but I meant it generally across the ranked spectrum.

The bar recharges, but not the slide. She only has two slides. Raze only has two satchels.

She can still jump around for most of the round in anticipation for opportunity for a slide. You're also comparing two different things, Neon's bar is the movement, the slide is an ability. Raze's movement is the satchels.

Wanna know why it makes such a big difference? Imagine you're on bind attack and wanna make a movement play to barrel stuff the player in U-haul with a judge - a pretty common play. With raze you'll probably have to invest both satchels (1 is gonna be too slow) to fly in and make that play. Nobody's there? Too bad, your opportunity to make a movement based play in the round is now over.

If you're on neon, you jump around (using ur bar) through short until you get to the entrance of U-haul. The extra beauty is that you don't even really need to invest a slide when you're there! It's already hard to hit you, so it's an acceptable risk to not even invest one until you're inside and see somebody! You can even jumpspot the inside of it -while at full speed - to make sure someone is there before you use your slide!

But let's say you don't do all that (which isn't even that hard or tedious), and just blind invest the slide anyways. Nobody's there? No worries! You have a bar that's recharging and still another slide! You'll have plenty of other opportunities to put it to use

It's absolutely different because you only need to adjust horizontally for a neon slide and she can't slide past util. It's way harder to hit a flying raze and if you disagree then idk what to say. There's a reason Neon doesn't get picked on Bind.

She can definitely slide past util. It's definitely harder to hit a flying raze, but it's not like its some different world to hitting a temet wannabe who's just shaking his mouse as hard as possible. Neon doesn't get picked on bind because that's literally by far the best raze map in the game, and there's good reason you can only afford to have 1 duelist in a bind comp at a high level.

but if you run that through a simulation, he does not hit that shot every time. You're cherry-picking insane flick clips from Neons. I could do the same with Jett/Reyna players swinging out of a smoke, hitting a flick, and escaping to safety.

The problem is that, unlike jawgemo's mid-air shot, him hitting that shot is intended game design. It's not about him hitting a nice flick/shot. Yes, reyna's can swing out a smoke and hit a nice flick. Is that the same as jumping across mid in less than a second and hit a nice flick thats accurate while moving at full speed? I mean they're really just both nice shots at the end of the day right?

If Neon is sliding on you with a judge, she's giving up range. Stop staring at a choke while she's running at you. Use util to separate her from her team. It's easier to deal with than Jett updraft dash into smoke, which buys time for her whole team to come help her.

Good thing I know exactly where the neon is all times, and exactly what weapon she has every round, and am always in a spot to use my util to separate her from her team. It's really that easy.

when did i saw it was a problem just in low elo? The problem is that people can play at a level they clearly are not at because of the broken and braindead mechanics, I only used the silver 1 in high diamond as an anecdote, its just as valid in high elo.

What parallels? Good thing the post explains exactly that:

1. It encourages a braindead playstyle
2. There is no way for anybody not abusing it to counter it
3. It lets terrible players play way above their level

And what does pre-nerf chamber viper iso or whatever have to do with my points about neon?

fortnite is dogshit as an esport for many reasons, and I agree with basically everything you said.

But there is a huge parallel between the aim-assist debacle in fortnite and what Neon is today

• neon bar is constantly recharging when not in use, unlike both jett and raze's movement util, that was the point of that comment, not the specifics of 4-6 seconds

• it's not different at all except one is higher, its actually as good a comparison as any that ever existed, since the fundamental topic we're discussing is accuracy during movement (run-n-gun)

• using a well timed piece of util (such as a flash) to win a duel != this bullshit, which is not a lucky moment (like jaws kill), but intended game design

• its really not that hard especially with a phantom/spectre, let alone a judge, and its definitely not harder than it is to punish it

Good thing it was an anecdote, not a statistical argument

ty

drop your tracker

The premise is not dubious, it actually happened. I was in the lobby when it happened. I've told the story in the past:

https://www.vlr.gg/401952/neon-is-broken

#10 for the story
#14 I posted the actual tracker for the game it happened (then edited so weirdos on vlr don't harass suzy)