I don't think it was ever revealed, probably screwface tho cuz he was the 6th right?

Average illiterate Fraudnatic fan

no wonder you think they're good

Perfect symbolism for Lock-In being the mickey mouse clubhouse. Riot didn't even think it was worth getting a good quality trophy

1. Yeah but thats not why they got magnum'd at kickoff. They also were clearly better playing with Hiro. (not saying hiro is better than Leo).
2. FUCK NO LMAO
3. They still had wins at shanghai, which is more than FNC can say. FNC got embarrassed by fut. We saw what 100t did to FUT and how close the PRX vs 100t game was. Not enough? PRX had just beaten GEN.G in a bo5 prior. A team getting washed by FUT isn't doing that. (PRX is also Fut's daddy)
4. At this point in time - Champs 2024 - FNC is better than PRX, and beating G2 proved it. But when something was at his hottest (Literally the best player in Pacific), he wasn't allowed to go to Tokyo. Then the next 3 straight events (Champs Madrid Shanghai) they are better than FNC. Being better a year later by beating G2 doesn't change the fundamental point about PRX vs FNC at Tokyo.

Most decorated my ass

SEN as an org has 2, and they were the best team in the world both times when they won theirs.

2 > 1*

Even if you look at EMEA many teams clear, GMB, ACE, FPX.

Basically any other team that was the best in the world at anypoint in time (GMB LOUD EG FPX, etc) achieved more than Fnatic, who was never once the best team in the world.

Please tell me which of the points is wrong, and be specific pls

Was the purpose of Lock in not to showcase teams?
Was it not Preseason?
Where there qualifiers?
Did the trophy not break on the plane?
Was a Pubg streamer not filling in for the Pacific MVP
Was EG not missing prac with their star player (the future champs MVP)?
Did every map not named Lotus or Fracture not come down to 2 rounds (the minimum possible win margin) in both uppers and gf?
Did PRX not outperform them for the next 3 events (basically a whole year) straight with something?

Its the worst post you've seen so it should be really easy to debunk.

It seems this thread has been rediscovered by Fnatic fans who have been mass downvoting.

I leave an open challenge to all such copers:

If FNC would have obviously beat PRX with Something (pacific MVP at the time) at Tokyo, explain why PRX outperformed Fnatic at the next 3 straight events upon his addition

if they were 'clearly' running circles BOTH halves like you said they score wouldn't have been 12-11 with a possible OT. Its not like EG was winning miracle round after miracle round from heroics to get their rounds.

If exposing the biggest frauds in valorant is a crime I hope that I left enough evidence for them to convict me 🙏🙏🙏

Shit aint tied, 2 > 1*

and wouldn't have even have got that 1 without their 'special conditions'

Need shenanigans or other teams to be nerfed to win

Never once was the best team in the world

And yes I know FNC clear TSM

fnatic beat eg twice (once in a close match and once in a sweep)

Beat a nerfed (was practicing without their star player) EG. Every map that wasn't named Lotus or Fracture was as close as is possible in valorant. You also already know this because we went over it.

even boostio said that fnatic were the only team who were better than eg last year (i would rather trust a player on that team than a random dickrider)

Verbal statements don't mean shit. I was told that Fnatic would have won madrid by boaster (Lost to both madrid teams) and that NRG was hiding strats by fns (LOL).
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Then again you use all the same recycled garbage excuses addressed in the post. Here it is again for you to read:

prx without something nearly got 13-0'd by fnatic (boaster didnt wanna drop a 13-0 on jason), with something they wouldve gotten what, 5-6 rounds more?

"Even with something, they wouldn't have beat them at tokyo anyways"

Based off what? Not the evidence. The evidence strongly suggests otherwise. PRX with something outperformed Fnatic at the next 3 straight events. Next tourney they made Champs finals (probably strongest form they were ever in) beating LOUD and even EG in upper finals. At Madrid FNC were missing cuz they were worse than the teams that PRX beat. At Shanghai PRX were the favorites going into it, beat EDG and lost an extremely close series vs 100t, and FNC were winless (lost to GEN.G, who PRX beat domestically, and got EMBARRASED by fut, who PRX would beat). This means that PRX with something were better for than FNC for basically a year after they were allowed to play with him.

only reason fnatic didnt win champs last year was loud, they were the only team who couldve had and did beat fnatic

"Only lost because of Loud"

No, they lost because they were the 4th best team and they ran into the 3rd best team, who smoked them.

imagine calling a trophy worthless just because your region didnt win it, can never be me

Even Riot knows Lock-In was worthless. Its why it wasn't a masters and they didn't bother to get a trophy that can survive a plane ride.

they antistratted the hell out of fnatic's dominant map

LOL so its all anti-stratting why they lost huh? Which maps did they get anti-stratted? Every one they lost? They got full anti stratted on Lotus Ascent Split Haven and Bind? Or can you just not admit other teams were better?

good thing I made the post so I don't have to type everything out again for the same recycled excuses every time
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they beat the champs winner last year

Conveniently also facing visa issues! Also for their star player, the one who, upon his addition, turned around their season and would later win Champs MVP. After spending (wasting) 2 weeks of tournament prep with a sub, Demon1 returns last minute. Even with this big nerf, upper finals basically comes down to a smokes spam. Furthermore, across every map played, only 2 were decisive, Fracture for EG, and Lotus for Fnatic. Every other map comes down to two rounds, the closest possible result.

beat the 2022 champs winners

against LOUD who swapped their two best champs performers for rookies, via a historic choke

to win lock in

Barely winning a preseason, showcase tourney with a mickey mouse format...After they won that worthless temu trophy (the kind the breaks on planes)....

also why do people call it mickey mouse when other teams failed to win it

"Mickey Mouse? actually single elim (and no qualifier and literally pre-season) means they won the hardest tourney!"

Maybe, but, further still, a random agent select tourney would be by far the hardest event ever hosted, doesn't change that winning it would be a cosmetic achievement, worthless in comparison to events with real formats and qualifiers (ie: designed to select for the best team).
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i can name two teams that were better than them at the time of Tokyo, they just weren't allowed to play at full strength. A month later they were both in champs finals

consistently overrated when they dont have their special win conditions:

1. Mickey Mouse
2. Other teams being nerfed

There was never a single time that fnc was the best team in the world

neon easily

A good initiator and a team with basic patience is enough to shut down a chamber

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

fnatic did not fall of they got exposed

but other than that yeah next season is the beginning of the new era

https://youtu.be/RnulPqFv0VM?si=-RYe7BgqInjHFarj&t=30

do you think he would have gotten more 'value' if he was playing killjoy here?

Also, Demon1 played jett chamber astra and brim, thats 3 different roles so if anything he's the flex compared to aspas

'arguably' and 'one of' doing alot of the heavy lifting in that sentence

nobody argues about who #1 that year was tho

didn't even have to say his name but you instantly knew who it was

really says it all

Everybody knows who 2022 belongs to

fr you got a matchup problem at 4 positions

you got one of the few duelists that can match zekken? what about a smokes that can keep up with zander? who's guarding N4rrate? John gonna get his too your senti better be nice

zellsis aint no slouch at all either

Watchparty king

man if SEN won both the n4rrate and zander sweepstakes then a dynasty is coming

until proven otherwise, no. But the talent is there

https://www.vlr.gg/358432/most-over-and-underrated-players

Got flamed for saying this

Skuba !!!

Skuba

its all coming together

guy said shanks feels like a random LMFAO

Derke not good enough to be the best player on a trophy winning team

do you remember what happened at S0m's second international

theres two things to measure an igl by, calling and fragging

FNS is the best caller in the games history, but John can also call at a trophy winning level, and the fragging isn't even remotely close.

John as a total igl package is better, its not that complicated

spot the difference

this vs this

igling is total package of 2 things:

calling + shooting

Zekken > Mada
N4rrate >=< Verno (i think N4rrate is better)
Tenz > S0m
Johnqt > FNS (IGL)
Johnqt > FNS (Senti)
Ethan > Zellsis (Support)
Zellsis > Ethan (Flex)

imo he was the best option and sen is now a superteam (if its confirmed obv) and the pressure is now on for another trophy next year

Allegedly TH was frying EDG in scrims at champs too

for real, its like the only thing they account for is who has the highest number when they hit 'stats'

2021: Tenz and Cned clear
2022: Yay Aspas and Ardiss clear
2023: Derke probably top 2 sometime this year, Demon1 and Aspas probably clear by the end
2024 : Kangkang Zekken Texture and Aspas clear

i swear people who type this shit only stare at stat sheets and don't even watch the games. Top 2 duelist every year? You're telling me he was better than Zekken Texture Kangkang and Aspas this year?

Lemme guess:
"2nd best rated player at champs"
"highest acs at shanghai"
I guess primmie must've been a top 3 player in the world then

Theres 3 duelists that are currently Meta: Jett Neon Raze
Sayf arguably individually better on all 3

I don't care what the stats say I still think Sayf is the best emea duelist

If you ever see this in the future, could you pls quickly describe what its like playing against the following:

zekken
cryo
demon1
Tenz
Sinatraa
inspire
Som
Shanks
Curry

m80 in the prac room shadowboxing and practicing their jab rn

THANK YOU WE NEED MORE OF THIS IN VAL

but why did it have to be tsm tho :.(

No, there is another

That SEN + N4rrate is a superteam?

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/nytrizu%23court/overview

Fell to Ass 3 I'm down terrible

Should replace Cloud and Sh1n with two more boasters

Fluke

(I obv support them but that doesn't mean I can't be honest)

nah

his jett is better and his awping is significantly better

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/sen%20z%235193/overview