He onetricked viper from kickoff to Madrid and literally topped every stat metric at both tournaments, the erasure is insane
Thats ignoring him putting up Leo-esque numbers at lock-in and Aspas numbers at champs 23 AND being LOUD’s best player in playoffs at champs 22

I swear cypher used to be his best agent actually until he joined vitality

Idk man, nats peak was in 2021 which was a less developed state of the game and Less’s peak from 2022-early 2024 was unbelievable. Even this year until vit fell off you could argue less was better.

I think people shit too much on quieter, intense players but having drive and just naturally being more introverted doesn’t mean they are toxic assholes

Less the better viper, nats is the greater viper imo
Nats invented and inspired a lot of viper/senti players and was a beast at it too so he’s the GOAT, but put them on equal level teams and I’ll back less to play better (outside of 2021)

The fact that two of the top 10, if not top 5 players of all time are stuck on a mid table team is so sad :(
The fact this vit project also kinda ended Sayf’s career (partially his own fault) is sad asf
At least trexx is on tl

This is cap bro did you watch either of vit’s previous matches? Even the one they lost

“NA”, “less”

Never really thought they were a scrap tbh, I thought kamyk was pretty decent too. I think most people just expected certain other rosters (mostly vit and kc) to be better and push liquid to a middle of the pack team

Madrid miniboo is low key legendary, if he hadn’t got grouped people wouldn’t underrate him so much
Unlucky that they had to face sen and prx (#1 and #3)

I remember last round he randomly got 2 kills with a stinger from range despite mibr being on an eco
Have to feel for kru fans man I swear y’all always losing to some bs

I would say coming top 4 at champs and literally just 2 round away from a grand finals is his best achievement

Trexx got keiko and nats + one of the most selfless entries and one of the best supportive flash players, it’s not the most fair comparison

Poor dude didn’t Aspas drop the bo3 kill record against kru?

If I had to guess the avg is probably around 10k per month, which is very good because I’m assuming the org also pays for housing during practice/season?

It’s must be so high he’s like visibly jittery every time he moves his mouse

Americas literally have had every expected team not only win but also stomp, other than nrg. Also, ur forgetting liquid

Idm it too much, all I can remember from Shanghai was the crowd roaring as wo0t shat on g2

Still a crazy clip and the first shot especially was insane but I’d still have the ardiis clip slightly above

Nah ardiis also got seized and dh literally tped into the open when his teammates couldn’t trade him

Nah I’m from near Seattle 😂

there’s been like 5 rounds where either or both foxy9’s turret and alarmbot are alive holding bmain or mid
Even if they break turret, munchkin just flashes foxy9 into b main and nizzy doesn’t cage to fake pressure

I don’t understand these team secret defaults bro their mid rounds are fine but their early rounds make no sense, geng get fast flood or stack the site every single round for free

Talk to them bro I’m out here arguing my ass off about this every time people make goat lists and automatically put two specific players high because of trophy count

Idk bro, I tried DDU to fix graphics drivers, tried reinstalling the game etc etc nothings worked so far sadly

Actually pissing me off the way the game stutters and loses fps with each update

FPS went from 120 to 80 and every time someone peeks me I stutter 😭 I think valo is encouraging me to quit

Wo0t is underrated imo

It’s also because sen fell off after he left (stage 1 and stage 2 don’t exist)

I didn’t reply to you brotha that’s ok

No one’s saying meteor didn’t have impact during Bangkok and Shanghai, I personally believe that Izu and texture were more impactful.
Sacy was good in 24, but he was still the overall worst on sen. He wasn’t really a fragger, and had some questionable deaths/moments throughout the year, but still brought a lot of impact with experience/midrounding.

Meteor didn’t exactly show up and hard carry when t1 slumped, whereas even when loud slumped less was still carrying them. Meteor plays well when his team plays well and poorly if they do, he’s just had better teams than less has since the loud fall off.
Sacy as well didn’t exactly have a great year in 2023 when sen were shit. My point being is that sacy and meteor aren’t better than less, they’ve just had better teams, which is why trophies only matter so much.

Nah they absolutely do matter, otherwise bias and “aura” takes over
Stats favor passive players, eye test favors aggro players

You need to take both into account

A player getting an ace in one round and no kills for 3 rounds after is extremely memorable and looks amazing in the eye test, but a player that gets 1 kill 4 rounds in a row is probably way more impactful but not something that is noticeable on the eye test

South Korean fan talking about teams ruined by internal issues when t1 exists 🥀 🥀

Yay got offers after dsg, I guarantee you multiple orgs would be willing take him (as long as they are down for English speaking roster)

Winning trophies is a team game though, you can’t really give the player a huge amount of credit unless they absolutely popped off (which meteor definitely did at Shanghai)
Meteor was not t1’s best player when they won, but he was maybe geng when they won (I personally had texture higher). However, if you also look at his entire career outside of the those two tournaments I don’t think he’s as good as less or Alfajer for an example.

Sacy was insane on loud but he was arguably sen’s worst player in 2024 and mid in 2023.

I think neither is top 5 if you look at them from a purely individual standpoint actually
If derke or Aspas had never won anything I would still have them top 10 but if sacy and meteor hadn’t won twice most people wouldn’t have them even top 20.

High CP count is definitely extremely concerning

Nah because chichoo was a massive part of the reason why edg won upper finals and he played phenomenally in both groups and playoffs. Kk was the hard carry during finals but the TOURNAMENT mvp was definitely chichoo, who also wasn’t abusing prime neon. Also champs kk didn’t really feel like that guy until grand finals if you actually watched the entire tournament.

Played really well at Tokyo, lock-in, and Berlin, but I think nats had slightly more impact and Berlin, and Leo and Alfa are better at Tokyo. He still played phenomenally at both and was individually the best player itw at champs 21 the same way Alfajer was at Toronto

Disagree because tenz made no lans in 2023 and 2022 and didn’t even play for portions of 23 and those were some of my favorite years to watch vct

I don’t think so, he had some inconsistency and wasn’t really that much better than izu in finals
Izu also flexed to many different roles and was still the more consistent of the two, feel like meteor gets too much credit because people know he’s a good player while Izu is less well known (kinda of like the “aspas effect”)

I predict people will disagree with champs 22, champs 21, Shanghai, and champs 24 😂

A lot of events didn’t have official mvps so this is my list. I’m not going off only stats btw, kinda mixture of stats and impact

Reykjavik 1 - Tenz
Berlin - Nats
Champs 21 - Cned (most consistent on rewatch compared to zeek)
Reykjavik 2 - Yay
Copenhagen - Shao
Champs 22 - Less (surprisingly, looking back I think he was more consistent than sacy and pancada even though they had better stats)
Lockin - Leo
Tokyo - Alfajer
Champs 23 - Demon1
Madrid - Zekken
Shanghai - texture (better playoffs than meteor imo)
Champs 24 - chichoo (better overall other than finals)
Bangkok - Izu (most consistent and didn’t shit the bed in finals like buzz)
Toronto - Forsaken

Sato can play neon and yoru, doesn’t make sense to take him off duelist

Whose the Igl

Tdawg about to fuck up his satchels and then mald and beat ions ass to get his anger out

Whose playing raze dawg, caneszerra and demon1?

I agree with this
I think generally letting him bait is better but sage on icebox is so annoying to play so on that map he should be duelist

Leaf will fall off if he plays sentinel on another roster imo and I’m a big leaf fan
Duelist I agree with you

I generally think European regional leagues are worse than NA because the talent is more spread out due to the number of leagues if you get my meaning
NA is kinda of the equivalent of 2 EU leagues combined

My next prediction for fall offs is if anyone on g2 tries to leave the roster and play for another team (specifically Trent and leaf, their best performers)