Realistically he's the best Thai fragger but when it comes to all of APAC he's still behind Jingg and F0rsaken. Based on champs last year I'd put him on the level of Buzz but better than Seoldam if that makes sense.

Realistically though they most need a guy to play kayo fade and i think guys like bangna god dead jinboong or joxjo would be good for them.

Jeong Hi or Lakia

Ya thats what I was sayign with the tier 1.5 thing. Too inconsistent to be good in T1 games but is better than most T2 controllers(its him mistic and baddyg in the top 3) and will outperform guys on these unsigned T2 orgs. He'll be a valuable piece similar to how about apoth in NA

aslan is a pretty good controller. He's in the too good for tier 2 tier but not good enough for tier 1. He will do great on a good tier 2 roster.

Don't forget Zypaan who will be on Navi

Don't see why they'd do that when ardiis is a better awper and s0m has played omen and astra before

sidenote i'm doing this with the rosters we know now so I'm not doing EG

100t: I think Cryo makes the team insane with him awping, asuna on the kayo entry role and bang playing smokes. My main concerns are Derrek on fade and stellar playing that flex initiator role now that Will is no longer on the team. With cryo likely playing 100% chamber and jett, stellar will be asked to play less sentinel characters and more things in the Dephh agent pool, kayo breach maybe even fade. I'm not sure how well he will do on those. Derrek is already a great sova but I'm not convinced by his fade yet and apart from those two I'm not confident about his breach or really any other agent.

c9: Yay and Vanity are obviously fantastic players and have very solidified roles, but the other 3 perplex me a bit. I'm not sure how the other three's roles are going to work. They're all good not great raze's, play plenty of initiators, but I'm not sure how the sova and breach will be. Xeppaa is sick at kayo skye and fade, zellsis is great at kayo and kj, leaf on skye and viper but who plays breach and who plays sova. My guess is its zellsis breach xeppaa sova but those 3 players roles could be a problem.

SEN: Language barrier is obvious but IMO Tenz is gonna make or break this team. We know that pancada sacy and zekken play their roles at a top 5 in the region level, and dephh is a good igl who knows how to play a lot of roles. Tenz, though, is still a ? on chamber. His jett is top tier, and he can play a lot of duelists at an average level, but he really only had 1 tourney on chamber and looked good not great. If he plays chamber at an ardiis yay cryo level this team will be insane

NRG: s0m's smokes are the obvious question mark IMO. I'm confident his omen will be fine, but what happens when they need viper and brim play? Smokes players need to be able to play all 4 agents nowadays, and I'm not sure how first time brim and viper for him will go. In theory he'll be fine but when the competition is pancada and bang its tough to think s0m can keep up. IMO they'll let him flex a little, so he'll maybe play kay/o or jett on breeze or sage on IB, but that still means he's playing a lot of omen brim astra. Either way he's playing with 4 world class players so he'll prob be fine.

EG obviously will be behind these teams but on the plus side Jawgemo is world class IMO and boostio and him as a fragging duo is sick, though ethan c0m and supamen as the final three doesn't strike much confidence for me.

I know less abt the br/latam teams but as of rn

LEV/Loud are both world class teams with ? at the controller position while the other 4 are insane players

Kru's team is def weaker than most, and for me its up to how well their fragging trio of xand nagz and daveeys can perform. If daveeys is a steal and becomes one of the best fraggers in the Americas this team can do well with lots of structured calling, but if its the same fragging from 2021 with nagz and daveeys isn't ready, this team will be bad.

Furia looks awesome but Mazin is the biggest igl ? of any team. IMO Mwzera is an upgrade on nzw, but mazin is the only guy in Americas with no igling experience who will igl in 23. Apart from that the team has some great players but Mazin might just not be a good igl and they flop

Mibr is the similar to EG for me, don't really know the players and the current ones really aren't all that. From the rumors i like rglm and heat but players like jzz and frz are probably not up to par with the c9 or loud players.

LMK what you guys think, especially for the br ones that i know less abt.

I'm scared abt their initiator play in 2021. I know for sure Asuna will perform on kay/o and raze and that cryo will perform on awp and bang on smokes, but idk if I'm sold on derrek's fade play and stellar on anything that isn't a hard sentinel character. He'll have to flex more because cryo is less flexible than will and in a meta that will likely still be chamber raze kayo and fade on most maps its likely we see him playing shit like kay/o which I'm not fully convinced of yet.

That's kind of my opinion, sscary has been even or better in most tournaments they've played together but his team hasn't played as many important games which I will give mindfreak

Realistically, if you were completely starting a franchise team again, who would you build around?

I have an opinion that my friend disagrees with but i believe sScary is the better player and his team was very much holding him back, but he is much more on the mindfreak side. I'd love to know peoples thoughts, as though I don't think replacing mindfreak with sScary is a good idea for PRX, I do think he would probably be better for the average team.

idk im just shitposting lol but hes probably a top 3 yoru of all the franchised players. I think only him Victor and s0m pulled it out this year

Tenz is top 3 yoru NA
top 4 raze na
top 5 jett na
top 7 chamber na

watch it buddy don't disrespect the bat chest

The problem is that we expect to see the top 25-30(given the br players and 6th men not being as good) na players in franchising, and EG with the supamen ethan c0m boostio jawgemo lineup is good, especially if it were 2022 vct, but looking at the roles.

Jawgemo is def a top 5 entry player in NA, no complaints abt him as he can awp entry and flex
Boostio is a good igl but isn't top 5 in NA(Valyn is a free agent) I'd prob put him at 7-8 because of his fragging power but better IGLs are FA
Supamen is a good smokes player, i'd say he's on the fringe of top 5 especially with marved not playing but again Valyn would be better
c0m and than are good initiator players, but BcJ and Trent are F/A and both def better than c0m, and Jonahp plays ethans exact role but better and more flexible, or you can get nismo who is a better fragger and still plays similar agents.

These guys aren't bad players at all, but when you think abt the fact that they could've had dudes like dicey, valyn, trent, bcj, etc. It feels like they just went the cheap route

Valyn>>>>Zander atm

Valyn
Trent
Dicey
Nismo
Dapr/Wippie

I agree but its not like he absolutely can't play it. I agree for sure keep him on duelist/chamber but its possible.

He can play Sova

So what does an IGL do then lol, and how does Vanity clear Dephh if you're completely invalidating what he's done but are claiming Vanity is better?

They were together for a long time as a core of three before Dephh got there, yet they never made a Lan or were better than top 4. Dephh comes in and in under a year become the 1 seed in NA. What more can the guy do to convince you? You make the Zekken point but would he be as good as he is now with lets say Dazzle as his IGL instead of Dephh? I doubt it.

I like this fix, wish there were more well written T2 fix posts

BcJ would be the best upgrade over Flyuh. Also I think supamen is apparently going to EG so either poised would go to smokes and they bring in a dude like wippie, dapr or a more flex player like kanpeki or sick. Obv if they want a smokes player aproto or skuba would be the best option.

Well they were the best in NA which got them a bye, its not like they were just gifted it for free. Dephh igled them to a top spot in NA, something the team was never able to do before him and no team has been as good as them since he joined apart from NV/Optic. And obviously we can never gage how much an IGL does, same as with a coach, but that's not an excuse for saying one is better than the other. What we do have is results, and since 2022 no IGL has had better results than Dephh, and no team has improved more since their igl joined than XSET with Dephh.

I think people forgot that cNed was not good at chamber lol. I think he'll still succeed on a team like FPX's core but he is not very good at this agent in particular. Put him on Jett he'll cook but Chamber was never a strong suit

IF G2 Wanna ball out
Valyn IGL(in this hypothetical he'd move to a Dephh type role playing kayo/breach which he's said in the past he wants to play)
Marved
Trent
Dicey
Nismo

If Dicey and Trent are stuck in their contracts/wanna stay with their teams i'd go with any of the high T2 guys like Penny Will Koala tex or Bdog(prob best option) for awper and BcJ for initiator but honestly him and trent are interchangeable.
If Valyn isn't possible then I'd go for poised or johnqt who play that same role or have valyn move to smokes and pick up an initiator player like jonahp, eeiu, ethan or a sentinel like wippie or dapr instead of marved.

That's better than any possible EU T2 team and would be pretty much a lock for franchising in 2023.

what is bro on? Dephh has been to the same amount of LANs and has taken his team to top 8 and top 6, which is the exact as vanity in his two Lans but vanity did it longer ago and against weaker competition. ATM Dephh definitely clears.

This shouldn't be up for discussion in the slightest IMO
I'm down for some variance in ranking, such as I think Dephh is 2 atm because of sustained success and Stellar maybe ahead of Valyn but still these are by far the best and its a crime that Valyn isn't on a franchised team.

I think Fnatic's firepower is going to end up overrunning teams. Theres a solid argument that Alfajer and Derke were the two best fraggers all year in Europe(stats back it up for sure but it's obviously not that cut and dry) and then they added chronicle who was probably a top 10-15 fragger as well. This teams firepower is unmatched, even their support players are crazy good. Boaster frags better than the avg IGL and Leo is a god we all know that. I'm more confident in them in 1 on 1s than a team like TL but Redgars IGLing could bridge that gap.

Xeppaa will prob pick up sova and stick with fade and kayo/skye
Zellsis will pick up breach and still play agents like kayo sage kj and maybe even raze or viper
Leaf will play mostly duelist but he has a good viper and skye as well
Vanity smokes
Yay awper

Let him IGL for Flyquest, add marved dapr sick and babybay/will and that's a W Roster

I agree with the first two but I'm pretty sure rhyme is gonna IGL and play smokes for giants so its a bit different.

I think Enzo will be looked at better away from Fnatic. It honestly didn't scream as the best fit for him and IGLing is where he's strongest. I agree with the person above, Enzo and Roza/GmD is the best case scenario for this team

I love this roster apart from Destrian honestly. I think they picked him up mostly because he's really cheap but I would very much have preferred to see them bring Vakk back or grab a guy like Zeek, Musashi, Jady, Patitek or even Mistic(ik controversial lol) to be in that flex spot to play fade, kayo, and breach.

Molsi and Twisten however are crazy underrated star level players from bad teams which makes them perfect for a super experienced IGL in Bonecold and Cender whos been around for ages and can play many roles.

Im gonna take this as players who as of rn with rumors arent on franchised teams

NA: Valyn Trent BcJ Dicey Nismo
EU: Mistic Jady Jugi Musashi Monsteer

Feels like Jady should make a franchised team, don't think there are 10 flex players better than him but obviously language and other barriers are probably hurting his changes. Would love to see D3ffo farm in T2 as well

first time they won't play with each other since November 2021 :(

They have a meh igl, two low tier awpers who don't get along and so much less fragging than the avg team

This team would get shit on lol

As long as Starxo isn't on duelist i'm down lol

They did what they set out to do, stay good in T2, at best they were a RO16 team and never did much to try to get better than that but win a few T2 tournies here or there, and sell your top players. They have created 4 T1 players(valyn, brawk, jonahp, c0m) and if that team as a whole stayed together with a duelist this would be a fantastic team, but that wasn't their goal.

Governer was the only real standout.

Truo wasn't a great igl and him and agm together were a really bad fragging combo.
Jcruel had some really high highs on chamber but some low lows
I liked retrq, he's very flexible(he plays like 12 agents) but was just a t2 player

Find a bigger one trick all time than Lenne wtf is that sova 85% lol

they speak the language which is more what I was going for but no if it was a purely Russia team I'd pick Redgar fo sho

russia is so stacked, probably the best country for valorant atm. Also definitely no redgar I know ange1 gets hate but no IGL in EU has had a better year and has been a considerably better igl than Redgar all year

no imports allowed, ardiis counts cuz hes a good scotsman

Same rules as regular franchising, 1 import max and the stipulation is everyone must speak the language fluently. The languages I'll say are
French(KCORP)
Spanish(KOI)
Turkish(BBL)
Russian(Navi(though I doubt they do anything asides from picking up FPX))
BREXIT
German even though they don't have a spot

French
Scream(entry)
Nivera(awp sentinel)
Enzo(IGL)
XMS(flex)
Subroza(flex)
kada(bench flex)

Spanish
Koldamenta(IGL)
Mixwell(sentinel flex)
Keznit(Entry)
Fitinho(awp, secondary igl, flex)
Yurii(initiator)
lowel (bench)

Turkish(I'm not very hip to the turkish scene so lmk if I'm missing someone obvious)
cned (awper)
alfajer(entry sentinel)
brave(smokes)
mrfalin(igl flex)
qraxs(flex)
aimdll(bench)

Russian
ange1(igl)
nats(sentinel)
chronicle(flex)
trexx(entry)
shao(initiator)
sheydos(bench)

BREXIT
soulcas(entry)
boaster(igl)
mistic(flex)
dephh(flex coigl)
ardiis(awp_
l1nk(bench)

Germany
al0rante(entry)
musashi(awp flex)
luckerr(igl flex)
aslan(smokes)
obnoks(initiator)
benny(bench)

lmk if I'm missing any good possible imports/people i didn't know spoke the language

Boostio better but c0m IGLed the best T2 in NA at the start of 2022 so he's prob top 15 NA

wouldve thought nrg if not for ardiis. Sucks for him tho he was the 3rd best awper in NA last year

Mistic clears

Thats my best case scenario if they do keep the three, obviously like I said I rate boostio<Dicey but that team with Valyn is def best case scenario if they don't get marved.