Liquid are always not doing shit in internationals XD just sad. and kangkang in form its over

Nah they just winning vs liquid 2-0 if kangkang is in form tuff

miniboo and boo are a bundle so u would need to drop both or none:D and i think they are doing fine tho if they did have a top class duelist would be easier

To be fair Tenz peak was good but indeed didnt achieve a lot lot he cant be considered goat for that reason but he can be considered one of the goats bcs his fan base became a sort of a stepping stone for getting valorant on the map especially NA

And also one of the most consitent yet flexible guys. He will play anything and do at least decent put Asspass on anything else than jett/neon/raze and he is cooked even tho his raze is not that good

Not to mention he won champs with +28KD on a controller and the fact that he is in valorant since its beggining. This guy put zekken as top 2 goat there is no point in arguing w him

Just because braindead ppl call him the goat doesn't make him one. Just a friendly reminder statistically there are more dumb people than smart ones. And i feel like you are one of them.

I would put Leo as on honorable mention his peak was astonishing. and he was changing the meta by himself he kinda paved the way on how to play sova for example and his aim so crisp but i do feel like he didn't play enough in a year or 2 he alr will propably get overshadowed.

The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas

Lmao he literally gapped many duelists i think even including ASSpas where he even won an MVP being a controller/flex player in an international tournament and is a player with most amount of throphies. On top of the game since it literally CAME OUT he was there at the beggining and is still here. Its insane u can call some idk 1 year wonder and 2 yrs of MID MID ASSpas into a goat debate ,the title means longevity in staying on top. +def the best breach in the world year after year.

Clearly u don't understand what "team" in a "team game" means. The support aspas is getting he wouldnt be in the goat debate sure he is a great player and def still in the top 3/5 duelists convo. But he chokes, fumbles, overheats, and before the team can figure out how to play for him when meta changes or new map comes out aspas is literally doing nothing and the team performs like it did in league.

Lmao literally champs winning IGL and aspas in that team + great mazino on top of that leviatan was doing pretty well before aspas.

Very true. It's like prime yay where everyone lost their shit but it was literally optic playing everything around him and baiting for him. They changed playstyle, meta's changed and the somehow "goat" can't carry his team consistently.

Leo was insane derke aswell and thats when they won back to back to back so what's ur point? Crashie is def in the top 8 ini conversation RIGHT NOW but that's the same argument how do u know its crashiesh being good when he is in a "super team" with "star players" and one of the best igls that tells him what to do where to dart when to flash?. But i would say top 5 is a star player range he is def worse than many other initiators.

Boaster abyss merchant buddy its like fns haven i like boaster but the truth is they are not "SUPER STAR PLAYERS" they have great synergy and play different valorant it's like idk baseball used to be sure u can be a good hitter etc but who gets bases? chronicle is that guy he doesnt frag out he only does when he needs to. that's a goat he does what he needs to do to win like zidane on the field

Yeah but chronicle is always clutch the amount of times he wins a crucial round is propably the biggest reason he has so many thropy's + he's a controller/flex has insane util and great aim and ice in his veins if he starts winning again he would desrve the goat for the time being

This is disingenious alfajer is a great player but crashies is past his prime and boaster is basically FNS of europe great igl but getting carried mostly, chron is like xyp9x for astralis.

Nah pati is great for TL tho trexx is pretty bad imo like very rare good game mostly last or second last, idk like maybe PRX cause their supporting/initiator players pretty mid and he would propably work well for something, drx free1ing those are all team i think could get a level up with chronicle in them tho i do believe trexx is very replacable for chron

Anyone saying chronicle is not the goat knows nothing abt the game.

Verno barely a rookie, + acting like their team is supposed to have bad synergy after a whole year together lmao

I just wonder how dominant a good team could be if they add chronicle current fnc doesnt deserve him tbh unless they step up this tournament

yeah but at the same time he only brings it when the times are tuff lmao

i Feel like the 100 bullets makes it the weapon identity tho i think 70 is still a lot and enough for most situations so doubt that change would actually nerf it a lot, imo 80bullets and slower fire rate or keep the 100 but make the pen dmg half of what it is now u can even 2 tap ppl in the head thru boxes its the same as vandal it doesnt make sense.

They will start spamming it again they used to when the maps were in favor. now odin is strong again and the maps are mostly spammable and it's the fact that spams thru smokes are also very strong. i feel like teams are cocky by not buying them or no one wanting to play it in the team regardless, it is op and in many places it actually takes zero skill, i agree there is some skill to it but like idk abyss A/B POST plant 0

either make it even more expensive or lower its fire rate or penetration dmg at least.

I don't blame the player i blame the game odin is just busted af on so many maps.

Buzz sure but can we talk abt stax holy useless

Agreed tho Liquid dominating until it comes to internationals and they choke hard last and only time liquid played somewhat good on a torunament was in 2021 LMAO

to be fair heretics had insane utility and were proactive

Well look at meteor and dh phantom now lmao full run and way more than 10meters

Well Mouz got a lil bit of hate but yeah way more fans when they were fumbling finals

Is there a more toxic champs team here? Only sentinels and that's saying something(literally something aswell)

especially with how toxic prx is yet only recently they showed some real consistent results

True speaking facts u acting like trexx is a good aimer lmao maybe in shitericas

but then again u can just run and gun with phantom or even better slide and gun

Spraying is deadly on vandal cause it goes to shit with phantom u hit everything as long as u start shooting first most of the times u win

He played sova a lot so to be expected tbh

Well cause their team is like a well oiled machine but one cog is off and the rest stops aswell

i was a fan of mada ever since LG so i i know damn well he is not a rookie he was insane even back then im so glad nrg picked him up he has so much potential still

No it diminishes the fact that he is in fact not a rookie u could say that about half of the players in this tournament then....

It's not his first ever app in tier 1 he literally played a whole year with luminosity in which was back in the day called tier 1. and played like 4 invitational vs teams like c9 g2 sen etc. and not even first even lan more like first ever international official tournament. But calling him a rookie is disingenuous. His first year in Americas League sure, not his first year in tier 1 NA tho:D

Mada is not a rookie.

Fns is a joke tbh unc needs to retire completely he's always wrong while also saying how much better he would had played a certain round (didn't see success in years)

Tbh crashiesh is a has been. It's been like 2/3yrs since the last time he played up to his level right now he is just mid a sacrificial b*tch for fnc to fill any agent they want, the guy to be first in a double peek, the guy who defuses when enemies have a spam setup type shit lmao

Astralis, Mouz, Nip and Bring back Faze Clan

mada played in vct already with luminosity u could say its his first year in AMERICAS league but back then it was just NA league and he played there alr... + u can add the fact that he played a lot of games in invitationals and red bull vs best tier 1 teams like g2 cloud9 sentinels

true not to mention that china had their own fps games they preffered over cs

what 3 rookies lmao skuba and brawk are rookies

Wdym edg on the up they got 3:1 by blg then went to some evo in china and lost 2:0 to Nova esports in league groups they went 3-2 where they only have trace and blg they only won vs tyloo jdg and titan

It makes some sense if they actualyl 2:0 prx which are one of the favorites to win champs