they have the head 2 head with T1 anyway so yes, also tuff for crazyguy and monyet doubters they were shining in bad teams glad they finally got a decent team

tbh s1mon had some massive impact kills most of the time usually is good on first kills and rarely dies first , assists a lot and has many agents , Jieni7 i guess maybe edg thinks fits better cause he has better aim but i still think S1mon is better ig we might not even get to see if they shit the bed on masters since they might not make it

idk pretty sure u hit way more while crouchin and moving with phantom than just a shot or 2 pretty sure if u put 2 bots that shoot the same way against each other in front of each other and one has vandal one has phantom the phantom wins like 8 out of 10 times

not hard coding just make it less accurate or give running/sliding with it same recoil vandal has or similar to being on a rope tho its even accurate on ropes its definetly overpowered

idk the fact that u can swing someone close by and never stop and just 1 tap them or run them down full spraying and hitting everything whilst vandal cant do that cause of the innacuracy, just makes it broken then u add the fact that its hard to tell from where someone spams thru smoke with it ,def way stronger than dealing a bit more thru walls with vandal and how many times someone is fully blind but just runs and guns you down with phantom it almost never happens with a vandal

he just went randomly left to right with his mouse wasn't even on the head he just made a circle around them with his crosshair and hit 2 taps in the head cause was close enough to 1 shot with it aswell like how is that not disgusting and how is that healthy for the game

my point is that shouldn't be possible tho. those 2 kills he got there should never happen in a competetive game with prize pools of hundreds of thousands and milions

They need to fix the 1st bullet accuracy imo + nerf phantom cause its so disgusting u can just run and gun or even better slide and gun and hit 90% of shots i get that its a tactical shooter but for example look at asuna 2 kills it should NEVER happen bro is litreally just shooting wherever or not even spray controlling and getting multikills with it

saying "DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPS" and one guy was arguing with me that whervere edg places its gonna do better than G2. Well look at that, at thruth be told i remember so many mf's who were laughing at edg for placing 5/8th on internationals but after they won champs suddenly they are fans and think edg is the best team while u have to be BLIND to watch this G2 gameplay and say that anyone is currently better

So many people were saying EDG WORLD CHAMPIONS DEFENDERS will do better than everyone G2 will do shit and edg gonna win the whole thing. What happened? they got obliterated by both g2 and t1

wait what happend?

Well what's in the past is in the past you'd never see the other top players on raze play her like he does recently. Im not denying he used to be good but people learned how to play vs raze better than ever and seems like he didnt adapt or evolve his gameplay on her at all

Exactly. That's why you as a team realizing you are at a tournament that has only the best of the best competing going to OT on enemy's map pick where this is considered one of their best maps currently and also knowing that just a month before u got absolutely stomped on abyss. I wouldn't be sad and wouldn't lose confidence. They are paid to lock in when the time comes there is no way that they lost mental, its just cope and how is TL momentum heavy and SEN not? they just won 13-7 first map what happened then

They always do that riot somehow always have domestic eliminations before semis ALWAYS, how is this possible the odds are not real for it to happen every time when it's "random"

i dont think professional who are at the top of the scene for years(excluding narrate) would be mentally boomed by barely losing in overtime on enemy's map pick if anything i'd be happy that it was this close on one of the best maps from new liquid

Actually its more simple. Zekken is only good on jett on raze hes decent on a good day and bad on an average day. He was always struggling with creating his own chances and he's not the best in entering with satchels. thankfully jett is forgiving with her dash and updraft tho he is very good on raze vs considerably worse teams. Honestly if u get paired vs jawg derke aspas etc on raze u are propably scared shitless of an incoming double satchel into ur face or a random satchel peak honestly he is only scary on jett and with that he can also play with op, when he picks op on raze he gets 2 max before dying with it.

and their abyss post plant setup on A is horrendous but also the map is trash i mean B site is alr mid aswell but A is a shitfest in design

tokyo is the same its masters so they needed 1 win to be 5/6th champs 5/6th= they lost 1st match in playoffs

well considering that to get 5/6th u only need to win 1 game and dont make it out to playoffs, yeah. that's not a good showing.

lmao they can get better like EVERYONE ELSE yet they DIDNT you are saying WELL MAYBE. some players just feel more confident or are just better on certain maps just bcs. What the fuck do you mean "all new playstyle" wtf are u even saying dumbass who fucking said either teams cant change comps moron if you get caught off guard by a different comp its ur fault as a team nothing more nothing less. and just bcs they change comp doesnt mean that WHEN EVERYONE ELSE WAS PLAYING THE OTHER PLAYSTYLE WITH SAME COMPS THEY WERE STILL THE WORST ON THIS MAP. AND STILL ARE.

you are retarded if you think that u only need to change comp to play good on a map that was alr in the comp rotation for a long time and without major changes to any agents other than releasing tejo. teams play different comps yet still win blaming just the agents select is fucking wild

well like i said imo they cheer'd only for edg and drx so far

naah not to this extend they at least cheer'd for fnc and sen + korean teams were even some aspas/kang kang fans

i get that there are more cheers during the games but its still not comparable there were some insane plays and barely anyone cheer'd

Even brazil was better. The crowd only clapped for edg and drx lmao other than that the announcer asks for some cheers or applaus and its DEAD SILENT. holy feels bad to be the presenter

No? never said that edg is a "no" "because 5/6th" just pointed out that this was their first ever good international showing and y'all are alr calling them "best in the world"

their WR% WAS AND IS THE LOWEST OUT OF THE TEAMS ATTENDING are you stupid? and u can literally repeat ur argument to every team there is making it absolutely a game of wits that's why teams have head coaches/coaches/assistant coaches/analysts.

indeed i think vit's POTENTIAL is higher i never said edg is a bad team

well no shit, they played 4 games together. edg played 31. including many more bo5's, also u said they changed igl's. they didn't. nobody was their igl since edg existed and still is.

whenever edg wins its always damn kang kang and chichoo popped off.

the thing is. That vitality made the change and played 4 games so far with them. not to mention 0 international actually 2 of their players have at least some experience while edg played 31 games with that change. and they still changed less back then than vitality now. so what is that argument at all now. I said vitality made more changes and they just started playing together this is not the case for edg there are barely any teams that actually played 31 games together without a change

who is to blame here lol the teams obviously? btw drx has one of the worst wr% on lotus from all the teams attending bangkok based on kickoff stats. SO what is the argument "when they played it differently" u meant it was always one of their worse maps yet they destroyed sen

no one is disrespecting them bozo. ig we'll see at this tournament this powerful edg

exactly? lmao you are comparing vitality that changed their roster more than edg just before this kickoff to a team that played 2 internationals together+ half of their league season and literally have the same coach since then that also was with them for longer as a sub coach that got promoted to assistant to then head coach still a long ass time ago and the core players attending their like 7th interantional rn

true my bad but they also had a rookie icy and now they got that dawg jawgemo and i didnt say rookie team just that they (players) didnt have as much int experience as the teams they had to face and in 2022 they also played 2 games

Im just saying that there was lots of luck invovled so many things going their way starting from the bracket y'all dont know how much of a difference it is going on a tournament and getting to save strats cause u get to play the easiest 2 teams to just get to semis then u win 1 bo3 2-1 bcs ur opponents are playing dogshit on the day and u get pick and ban prio to the grand finals and more days off to prepare

to be honest it was that roster first international they def look more mature now at the end of the day we'll see its just discussions and opinions

well i just think that if u honestly replay that lev match they propably win most and if heretics didnt have an off day aswell whilst edg popping off it would be different respect to them but i still think they just dont look that convincing so far especially seeing that 1st match vs liquid who is also a team with 3 players changed and coaching staff

ofc they can since trace even 2-0'd edg just 2 months ago

Wow Lotus was sen's pick and their 2nd best map aswell if not the best btw while also lotus is drx's one of the worse maps WHILE ALSO edg is good on split and always has been

vitality changed coaching staff, roles and 2 players also edg made the change 8 months ago+ have the same coach that was first their sub coach then assistant coach and now head coach(still 8 months ago) while vitality did it before kickoff so its a huge ass difference like literally night and day actually they played half a season+int's together while vitality just played kickoff with the changes

well cause rn g2 looks clean, clean af, tbh prime geng never looked as good as how clean g2 can play back to back so far they just look more promising like if u put those teams in a vacuum and put both at peak form g2 looks the favorite IMO

casuse most ppl know that they were max 5/6th every int before that and they had the easiest bracket till semis and then caught both leviatan and heretics on an off day and the fact that lower finalists needed to play 2 bo5's day after day for some reason while the team in upper has days off and even pick and ban prio its always swinging to the upper finalists but imo if you replay the leviatan match they would had propably lost 7 out of 10 times but welp that's just my opinion i think

"defending world champs" yea they won the last champs 1 and only international win actually one and only placing better than 5/6th and tbh they played trace and sentinels to get to semis that was propably the easiest opponents they could had get could even save strats and they also caught lev and heretics kinda both not playing up to par obviously it wasnt a fluke gotta give them respect indeed but i dont think they should get hyped to this extend

tbh it heinsight cause the players also matured and before were fairly inexperienced at int's with previous coach

yeah bcs #1 seed's are clearly sooo much better they got 2-0'd but it migh have been 2-1/ 1-2 it was OT meanwhile sen got smoked while drx is considered worse than edg

yea but they will only be better its a whole new roster while edg stayed almost the same for years

that's what i said, i said - zekken +good entry duelist and sen is 2x better

yeah yeah i got lost in thoughts

they are a great team but they are beatable the difference is that most teams are visibly unstoppable, super strategic etc like they dont need to be in their best form to perform while if edg has a bad day or 2 players its over getting 2-0 by trace or even jdg 3 months earlier they lost to prx dfm geng t1 all in a row and it wasnt that close, if chichoo and kang kang dont pop off imo they lose vs every other #1 team at bangkok