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Why are people hating the org, I dont understand
I understand people feeling bad for purp0 but TL is there to win, Lohan is there to win and the team is there to win. it makes sense to do everything they can to win. purp0 has a shit agent pool and just worse than GSR in general.

This is a good gamble for liquid and they raised their ceiling. This is what an org and coach should do, its not like purp0 is a charity worker, its his job and he wasnt the best candidate at it.

EDG did the same thing with jieni and stew, which makes sense. Stew is 10x the player jieni is and fixes all comp problems, but no one minds that. It seems people just dislike GSR coming in more than any real support to purp0

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they're just trying to find an excuse to shit on Liquid cuz why not

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^this is actually me lmfao I agree with the decision because he was playing like shit on his main and only agent he's good at but its fun to make TL look like dickheads

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Idk I have mixed feelings personally but it does feel like replacing a player after losing in playins and qualifying via points is quite a bit more acceptable than kicking someone who just made it to the regional finals...

I do think Purp0 deserved to play in champs and wish they waited til next season to bring on GSR, and even though I believe GSR is an insane player, Im not sure whether bringing him out straight for champs is the right move either for a rookie (bar his one standin for EWC quals)

overall though I think the hate is a bit overbloated even if I agree that it was not the best decision

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Why is points better than regional finals.

Realistically both TL and EDG had no chance of doing anything. arguably EDG had and still have a higher chance of doing well at champs than Team liquid. Both had members play through the entire year and qualify to champs then get dropped before the big event

I dont see the difference

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Idk just a general feeling from a more individual player based view than a whole team view.
if I was playing on a team and we bombed out, still qualified, but got kicked, I think I'd understand a little since we definitely looked weak.
If we managed to get to the finals, i think it'd just be more questionable, like, would they have still kicked Purp0 if they won Stage 2?

Idk, tbh I haven't watched much since they failed to get to London (which was the first VCT event I couldve gone to so that was pretty gutting), so I kinda thought Purp0 was still playing well like before, but upon looking recently he definitely hasn't been performing the best, so maybe it was a worthwhile decision. Wont know until champs tho

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drx did the same thing last years champs & i don’t see anyone complaining about it

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Is this some copypasta or do people genuinely think purp0 has a limited agent pool? Bro played literally every single role in the game in pro play

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NerfMaxima

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yeah he PLAYED every role
same way f0rsaken has PLAYED every agent.

doesnt mean they are good
Face it purp0 is a skye/jett merchant

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do people deadass think forsaken is not a good flex player like what 💔

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NerfMaxima

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he is a good flex player, he just cant play every agent in the game.

F0rsaken gets glaze like no one else for locking in an agent, especially in games where it literally doesnt matter for PRX

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He litreally doesnt need to play these agents tho Cause they are bad at pro play again these games quote on quote “dont matter” for PRX so it litreally doesnt matter if he performs good or bad on these games

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NerfMaxima

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okay but that doesnt change my point

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Useless_Miks_Ult

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purp0 has shown that he can play initiator with sova skye and even some kay/o back when he was at T2
he has also shown he has some smoke flexebility aswell (Well both of those maps are out of the map pool which is unfortunate)
he has also shown being able to have some sort of duelist flexebility (was able to play raze jett on some maps and wasnt even that bad of a neon player but things migth have been changed)
but he in his team has trexx (which is an initiator main being better than him at initiator which is fair trexx was an elite level initiator anyway) and kamo (Who is having the one of the best solist of his career and suprise suprise they play raze/phoenix)
dont get me wrong purp0 had a medicore stage 2 compared to other members of TL but saying he has a “limited” agent pool feels wrong

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burritx

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We're definitely not watching the same game broski.

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while both the EDG situation and the TL situation are similar i dont think its the same
first of all let me be clear when saying this that i think both jieni and purp0 deserved champs for contrubuting for their team but imo i think theres a reason why purp0 situation has more outrage than the EDG situation
first of all TL is subbing out a main roster player for a more unknown T2 prospect like GSR and EDG is subbing out jieni with a star like player like stew
second of all EDG were eliminated in the playins on stage 2 this result migth have been the reason why jieni was benched but TL was coming off a second place finish at stage 2
third of all china is more unknown globally that like EMEA
lastly i think yes TL does higher their ceiling but i think they wouldnt be able to win champs with the current roster (i may be wrong but its just my opinion) also lowers their chemistry and now they have immense pressure to do well

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few problems I have with this

-> Thats what I meant with people having a problem with GSR rather than purp0
-> Yes, EDG got eliminated in stage 2 but that was not the reason jieni got benched. EDG have said countless times that they did not care about placements or stage 2, and you can see it in the games as well. Also a player like stews stature doesnt just stumble upon EDG this would have been in conversation for quite a while, especially with the yoru meta developing. Its not like they bombed out stage 2, hit the panic button, then magically stew stepped in
-> You cannot convince me chronically online VLR users didnt know stew was going to champs
-> Yes they have immense pressure but that getting out groups is infinitely more the reward than the risk of losing 0-2.

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-> People should have a problem with GSR either way but you shouldnt have a problem with purp0 either both players litreally shouldnt get hate
->Yes EDG probably didint GAF about the placements for this stage but i think your misssing my point im saying on why the outrage was more appereant for purp0 and gave reasons on why they believe that as i said i think both players deserved champs for contributing to their team and both got dirty imo
-> Yeah but lets be fr majority of the valorant fanbase other than like some people on vlr doesnt Follow china compared to other regions
->As #5 said DRX did the same thing but got less backlash but again thats likely because they managed to got 3rd do i think TL will finish 3rd? no do i think they migth be able to get past groups? maybe do i think that people wouldnt justify this change if they got below 4th? Also yes so the pressure is really high
Also i think with purp0 they could have gone through groups anyway so yeah

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-> No what im saying is, GSR's player quality is the reason for the backlash rahther than purp0s "morality" issue of him earning the champs spot
-> Yes, but my point is no one is talking or talked about the jieni situation and even knowing it no one is "hate watching" EDG, yet they are for liquid
-> Im talking about people on VLR
-> DRX didnt get backlash leading up to champs 2025 as well, which again is hypocritical of those. No one thought DRX was getting 3rd in champs last year. The only reason they got 3rd was because they discovered the yoru, waylay meta
-> purp0 getting past groups with jett only comps is fat <1%. The are locked out of yoru (one of the most meta agents right now), they cant play double dive except on like 2 maps, they have to do this stupid attack op default because jett is so bad at entrying which means liquid average <3 rounds on attack where purp0 is main entry. This is all not mentioning how inconsistent as a player he can be

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->i legit seen no one complaining about GSR player quality atleast on vlr the reason of the backlash felt like morality to me if that is the case of GSR being a “bad player” sure okay your rigth on that but i havent seen anyone seen that so i am suprised
-> again i feel like your missing my point i just pointed out why liquid got so much backlash compared to other cases and again ima say this TL case and EDGs and other cases have other details as to why TL recieved so much backlash im just pointing out WHY it happened not saying i support the hatewatch or anything as for the others let them be them
->fair i guess
->saying DRX got only got 3rd because of only discovering the yoru waylay meta i think doesnt justify how insane DRX players played on that run its simply not because they only discovered the yoru waylay meta
->but again TL on this run was incredibly defensive carried as a team anyway kamo was good enough for attack trexx and nAts had to carry and kicks and purp0 were kinda bad and purp0 was tbh good on defense and yes i get your critism but attack side was a general problem for liquid anyway and the guy who goes in first i expect worse stats for him ngl (even with the expecting of “worse stats” his stats are sligthy below avarage but i believe his stats tanked a little bit because off the Barcelona disasterclass not because he is a bad player)
but again my main point wasnt even to defend purp0 in the first place (i lowk got the need to because he had really misfortuned plays and people disrispected him a lot) and im not saying GSR is a better player or GSR will do bad or the hatewatch is valid or anything like that but i wanted to say that there were certain reasons why TL case got so much backlash compared to other similar cases if you reply again i migth reply tommorow because i will be sleeping but if Theres something that you got confused just reply it i typed this in a rush so there migth be a few mistakes thx

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meech

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people forget a lot about the business side of things. the teams are here to win and sometimes, you have to make tough decisions that will result in immense backlash to raise your chances. i'm fine with the gamble personally. their ceiling with purp0 was legit getting grouped, perhaps even 0-2, but maybe with GSR, they can fix their comps to play more meta shit and potentially get out of groups. there's still a possibility they go 0-2, but i'd rather take that risk than do nothing about it