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wizzamv
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imo trans men that want to compete in GC val scene shouldnt be allowed. cuz the stat dont lie SRG lost every match to a VCT tier 2 team when they are one of the best if not the best GC team

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MrBlooBloom
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no one cares about your take retard. Pls delete

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wizzamv
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im being respectful u dont need to act like that and im defending women cause i think its unfair for women that have to compete with men that are taking advantage of this

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Raysen
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you are right dont let people tell you otherwise

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MrBlooBloom
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Idc that you're respectful. You're dumb transphobic, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're a nobody. Please delete

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Raysen
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bro talking like he famous. everybody is a nobody on this site are you good? you dumb clown

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wizzamv
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u see thats a you problem im being respectful to you while u being an asshole i didnt said they should not compete i said trans people should compete in there own league and not the WOMEN cuz for you trans women doesnt equal a BIOLOGICAL NATURAL WOMEN keep that in mind not cuz they feel like they are a women does NOT make them a women

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MrBlooBloom
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"I'm being respectful" "trans women are men" and not knowing anything about what and who you're talking about are not coherent things and cannot sensibly cohexist together

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wizzamv
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alr i can be disrespectful. u are a fucking men u have a dick which makes you biologically a MEN u like it or not u are and always be a men no matter what u feel like. and if u are women that think she is a men well u have a pussi which makes you biologically a women. basic biology

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MrBlooBloom
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cool for u ig. Doesn't change anything to what I said tho

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Germy
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ur not even being respectful tho

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shesh_
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downvoted for the truth

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GarbanzoEnjoyer
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I don't think any GC roster has a trans man rn

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wizzamv
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every GC roster has a trans women or men idk and idc florscent and the guy in mibr or eg

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midzera
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If you don't care or know about the conversation, just don't offer a take; instead read and listen to what's going on before you give your two cents. I don't know of a single trans-man in the Valorant scene so this take just comes off as tone deaf and ignorant. If you're talking about trans women in GC, it really isn't that deep how many trans players are on a GC team. Florescent is an anomaly in the GC scene because she grinds ranked to a similar level of Tier 2 players. SrN is probably similar but to a lower extent.

As for SRG bombing against Tier 2 teams - that is because they mostly scrimmed GC teams which in general are of a lower ranked skill and shallower strat book. There are some individuals who can hold their own against Tier 2 players like Noia, but they are generally not gonna succeed unless the GC scene drastically improves their average ranked quality to make them more in line with Tier 2 teams who would end up be more willing to scrim against them (teams don't want to scrim against a team that won't limit test the strategies).

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lakpx
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👍

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wizzamv
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i wants to have an opinion u are not forced to read it or answer me im a human being with a small brain and i wanted to share it now u like it or not its ur choice ;). but i still think its not fair for women to have trans women in there league cuz they are men and they just shit on everyone not just florscent or srn every trans women(men) is frying in that league cuz they are dogshit in tier 2 and need to compete in a lower league to feel superior

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midzera
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You're allowed to have an opinion, but only once you properly engage with what you're trying to talk about. Skimming the surface because you heard about trans players dominating the GC scene is not properly engaging with what's going on because I can assure you that there are other much more obvious factors like ranked hours and scrim partners that impact how good a team is.

I get that you want to "protect women" or make sure they have a space to play their game. However, professional play should NOT be about coddling people and instead trying to push them to be in line with the top tier of gameplay. And really, the whole narrative about trans women ruining GC is overblown since women in general don't want to climb ranked due to the amount of misogyny they face in lobbies.

I don't feel forced to read your opinion. I engage with the forum in hopes for a good discussion where you may learn something and I may learn something. I know that sounds optimistic, but I think in a world where we undermine attempts at valid conversation, we should try to reset and have that conversation since it can provide that growth.

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Kirya
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what

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wizzamv
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i didnt explain myself im sorry im trying to be respectful while saying my opinion like there is a difference btw men and women in sports and e-sports and not being sexist its the stat that talk for themself im not better than any women that are in the pro league and ofc there is women that are better than men but few and not all men when a man can be better than most if not all women in a game and im defending women cuz i think its unfair for them to compete with people out of there league

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Kirya
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first of all most of them are trans women not trans men
and GC is made for women and other marginalized genders

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wizzamv
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now pls go watch SRG vs male tier 2 team and tell me the score of every match in the last 2 years
SRG is a really great team i support noia i just dont think trans women have there place there im not trying to get them out i just think that

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airmanizzy
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The league is not meant for women; The league is meant for marginalized genders---which includes transgender males, and transgender females.

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wizzamv
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and im sayin it shouldnt ik it is like that

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Kirya
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well u r not the one to decide that

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airmanizzy
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I'm begging you to at least read all the way through this. Look, here's what you need to understand: First, Florescent is an anomaly; immediately after leaving the GC tour and joining the partnership league Florescent was statistically one of the best players across all regions, while being on---what was considered at the time---the worst team in EMEA. This easily shows that Florescent isn't merely one of the best players in the GC tour, but rather one of the best players in the world. Second, the reason GC tour needs to be for marginalized peoples, is that these people are---as I just stated---marginalized. For example, despite very apparently being one of the best players in the world, Florescent played in the GC tour for two and a half years, and we can deduct that even when winning the GC tour players will probably still make less money than tier two pros. The reason we can come to this conclusion is because of Florescent's current status as a tier two pro---rather than a GC tour player. These are very clear indicators that these marginalized peoples are at a disadvantage when searching for tier two, and tier one opportunities, as a result of both misogyny and transphobia---which is why we need a tour for all marginalized groups. Mind you, these are all incredibly reasonable deductions. Third, similar to what the Chinese region went through---or is going through if that is your opinion---the GC tour organizations do not have a sufficient amount of quality scrim opponents which reduces the rate at which these players and teams improve, not to mention the GC tour does not have the advantage of a populous as large as that of the Chinese region, meaning a lower amount of new talent. Fourth, have you taken into consideration that realistically---based on there being no scientific evidence pointing towards a sex based advantage---the reason specific, with an emphasis on specific, players dominate other GC tour players, is because frequent transphobic discrimination has led to transgender people being more socially inactive, and/or introverted---which in specifically an eSports setting---can lead to certain players spending much more time on their computer and on Valorant---which is why Florescent is a world-class player. Fifth, there are currently no transgender males participating in the GC tour, the challengers tour, and the champions tour. Sixth, when it comes to the human biology and sex, it is a lot more complicated than simply male/male reproductive organs, and female/female reproductive organs. There are many different things about the human body that defines someones sex and many of these can be abnormal and/or changeable, such as intersex variations. This is why branches of health involving gender affirming care involve much more than someone just displaying feminine attributes, and calling themselves a female. It is these highly complex biological variables that lead to something like gender dysphoria, and because these variables are so complicated, it's very difficult to do something like change them in way that simply gets rid of someones desire for a sexual transition---with this desire usually being out of the persons control. This is why gender affirming care is so highly recommended, as it is the most realistic way for someone to fix their biological abnormalities, and that is why we have things such as genitourinary reconstruction surgery---so that we can ensure someones gender can be female in every possible way, in order to help this person live their life as fulfilling and happy as possible. Realistically, right now in our day and age, in a country with the ability to do so, someone can transition to a female, with the only real differences being their experience and upbringing during their time pre-transition---which would include factors such as misogyny or misandry.

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flopppyFishTheG1irthy
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im confused bro, in the original post you said trans men and now your saying trans women, which one do you take issue with when it comes to competing in GC?

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wizzamv
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i dont the know the difference btw trans men or women for me i thought if a biological man considered himself a women u say a trans men but its the opposite so im sorry for my misunderstanding

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flopppyFishTheG1irthy
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it's not hard. you can just do 1 google search and understand. The fact you know this little about trans people and put so little effort into understanding is a sign we should just ignore your opinion. I highly doubt you will consider other peoples views or take constructive criticism about how rude and bigoted your initial post was. Please do some growing as a human being before sharing your opinion on other peoples lives on vlr

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kKai0
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no bro dont talk about that this is a vlr forum...

#10
wizzamv
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i will not my bad

#12
kKai0
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ya kho rani fahmek bes7 loukan tahder m3a hadou lmnagel ykounou besaf sensible rak fahem

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wizzamv
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wlh ana pour moi yatnako hab ykon tafla
wala rajel kima hab rien a foutre mais habsin bsf je penses 3labiha ykhamem haka 😂

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kKai0
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wllah ana je suis pas contre lbnat yal3bou valo infact n7ab noia ou meL ou mimi bes7 lazem ykheliouwha binat lbnat not hadouk "l3ibad"

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wizzamv
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kif kif mais had l3ibad mnagel ou y3ayo tahder m3ahom

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Alas21
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Bro it just annoys them when u speak truth ,like no one is transphobic or sht.
but its clear that trans teams have advantages over other teams.
gc anyway is just a discrimination against male if u think with their mindset
like it allows everything except men who identify as male to play .

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wizzamv
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true when VCT it allows both genders to compete but teams rather go with males cuz they used to

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GarbanzoEnjoyer
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This is such a sheltered take when the disadvantages of not being a man are apparent the moment you speak in ranked or promote yourself on social media

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Alas21
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I think what u saying is kinda true for soical media
but not that much in game cuz no one in game cares what u are if u drop 30 kills
u only get flamed sht if u are playing bad
i never knew if the person on my ranked game is male/female/trans etc
unless the person say it for no reason when he is backed off and use it as
a reason for the argument to put transphobia in letter.
As a matter of fact i lost a lot of games just cuz of
my arabic accent the moment i open vc i just hear guys saying fuck u fuck all arabs
cuz we are losing a game when i did nothing sht.
And i am not trying to empathize cuz the moment i get flamed tbh i respond with more flames.

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Alas21
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and sorry cuz my english sucks i know

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Kirya
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but not that much in game cuz no one in game cares what u are if u drop 30 kills
u only get flamed sht if u are playing bad

are we playing completely different games

#42
Alas21
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bro like how do you know the gender of your teammate
do you hop in and say i am identified as etc

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Kirya
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I thought you were talking about females
I've seen some people throw games just because someone on their team had a trans banner

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flopppyFishTheG1irthy
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you actually have NO IDEA what it's like to be a women and what they experience in valorant competitive. Same goes for trans people. They don't have a different league because they are worse, it's because it's so much harder for both women and other marginalised genders to get far in a industry that is full of misogynists

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szze
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absolutely. i'm 100% an ally but this really shouldn't happen.

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GhostKing44
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so you arent an ally lmao

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wizzamv
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thank you bro i want it to be fair for women thats it am i wrong idk its seems logic for me women vs women and men vs men

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attracted
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i agree w u

#18
nooomy
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its always the people from countries that would ban women from esports if given the chance with these opinions #noticing

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wizzamv
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care more to explain cuz i dont get what u trying to say. ;)

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MEL_18
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IQ levels are in the trash here on vlr.gg

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wizzamv
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im a noia fan. i want it to be fair for women is it bad from me ? is it stupit that i want it to be fair ?

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MEL_18
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You are not a real noia fan lol. She has spoken out multiple times in support of trans players, so why are trying to play white knight for people who don't need or want you to?

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wizzamv
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im expressing my opinion

#58
helasimp
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ironic... claiming low IQ for people who have different opinions than u automatically without actually addressing anything is the strongest and most common form of anti-intellectualism

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Your_majesty
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Gc isn't just for "girls" Dumpfk.

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wizzamv
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it should be just for girls.

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teilwal
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im p sure they wanted a space for people who get discriminated against because of what they identify as to play because in the main one there was a chance they would get discriminated against or smth

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Batujnaxglazer
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Trans men arent allowed in gc

#44
BIGFNCGLAZER
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Blud

#60
Batujnaxglazer
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Bro i legit thought when i made this he was talking about trans men not women, im too dumb

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wizzamv
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i meant trans women i dont really know the difference

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Batujnaxglazer
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Trans women = male to female
Trans man = female to male

#51
thom75
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flag

#52
sideshowsbaldhead
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every day i wake up to some bullshit on my phone

#59
flopppyFishTheG1irthy
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I've been reading some of these replies and half way through i just stared out my window in despair

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Livvie
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trans men aerent allowed in GC

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