C9 Hot Take | VLR.gg

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Idk if this is a hot take, but Zellsis, Xeppaa, and Oxy are doing their jobs imo.

Oxy played well this series, Zellsis had a ton of impact moments, basically winning split for them and getting them back into haven with his lurks, and xeppaa was fine, had a decent supportive role, nothing special but just fine. No one is expecting Zellsis and Xeppaa to be the fraggers on this team, that's supposed to be V1c and Penny behind oxy. The two of them are massively underperforming, which is why C9 looks so bad rn.

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esenoh

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as much as i love penny hes just ass

v1c was just bad this game, hes usually pretty decent id say give him another split

cut penny

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Yeah, thats kinda my point, v1c is supposed to be the second best player in terms of fragging, and he's been awful this split, which is a huge reason c9 look lost rn. If he was playing near his best, they would look way better, and almost assuredly would've beaten Envy.

and yeah, penny doesn't look like he fits the team rn if theyre not going double duelist

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esenoh

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perfectly said! couldn't agree more

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cirruss

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zellsis is fine
xeppaa maybe but c9 should've moved on from him two years ago
oxy yes

the real issue is misusing penny and vic is underperforming for sure. penny is crazy on phoenix and c9 has had three weeks plus to see all the teams playing phoenix on two of their favorite maps and have now lost against it two weeks in a row

immi also hasn't deserved a spot in vct OR vcl for over a year now. every time his teams play so sloppy and the comps are shit

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this is all immi's fault, they had the perfect recipe in kickoff and he threw it all away to play shit 2024 comps

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blooperdooper45

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Idk about perfect recipe, but I agree their roles don't make a ton of sense rn.

To give them the benefit of the doubt, they had penny playing entry when oxy was sitting, and even then he had a couple good series', but overall didn't have a great kickoff

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jawn

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penny was also playing entry when oxy came back, which is what i'm referring to

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Yeah, but he only had one "good" game while he was entry + oxy was playing, and it was him going +2 in a 0-2 loss to g2.

He had 2 other games playing entry while oxy was playing:

He went -2 on raze against lev and -22 in 3 maps of playing entry against 100t.

Not saying he shouldn't be playing duelist, just that I understand why they would want to try something different

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jawn

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he doesn't need to have good games, he just needs to entry and oxy will handle the rest

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honestly i think c9 should lean towards double duelist with penny and oxy not saying thats why they lost

but i think it makes more sense

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blooperdooper45

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Yeah, I think they should have oxy entry and put penny on the second duelist like a phoenix

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I lowkey kind of hope c9 drops all of them. This is coming from a diehard OXY fan. I think that OXY is underperforming on C9 because he has an igl and coach who aren't using him right and not the best backup. I think that both him and xeppaa should be removed for their own sakes because a change in environment and larger team difference could help them both thrive. I think Zellsis is kind of similar though he could do with more experience on igl and a little aim training. Penny and V1c... I don't want to be mean but I've looked at my own gameplay in premier on the same roles and felt like sometimes I could genuinely do better (which is likely entirely incorrect but I can at least spot a large number of mistakes easily). This is of course not entirely their fault, a lot of what I saw on Haven also boils down to gameplan which then boils down to Immi.

In short I feel like they could all do better on different teams and better igls and coaches.

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blooperdooper45

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Someone said that all the players are capable of winning, its just the team is not, which makes sense.

And yea Penny and v1c r just playing awfully rn, c9 either need to change something up, or they need the two of them to just find their form out of nowhere

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Supernova0791

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Agreed on both accounts, it's even sadder because they do both have a ton of potential

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senflixzy

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not to be rude but why would they let oxy and xeppaa go when theyve been their best players "to create a new environment"