DRG game and China as a region (think piece)

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lowkey made me lose interest in watching China

that was so disheartening, their coach doesn't care about winning (apparently) and sometimes it looks like the players just give up too, the only reason why this was as close as it was is because Vookashu was really trying his best

and then these teams go to internationals and just get demolished... China has very good players but sometimes it just looks like they're just playing for fun, I remember watching KK screaming and celebrating and doing these insane things, you would think after EDG won a Champs other teams would try their best to elevate their level and win tournaments too but it looks like they just think "yeah, BLG, EDG and XLG will always be the best teams, so why would we even try"

I'm not even the biggest China fan, but I wish they would actually do something, because they're wasting potentials like crazy now, a lot of these players could be doing damage in other regions but they're stuck in this China jail

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Krayon9239

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Look at autumn frying in apac. Any fpx player can do that

But no point leaving biggest market of valorant.. Almost all cn pros can make living with streaming alone.

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GambleNats

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Yes, the system is the problem, not the individual players

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officialnlechoppa

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yeah well

playing for money is a thing unfortunately, some people have no passion for the game and this isn't even just China

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Sincere comment. I like it.

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officialnlechoppa

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thanks :)

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GambleNats

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this perception is just completely wrong. like objectively this as wrong as you can get.

im not even trying to defend the chinese teams. this is just wrong

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officialnlechoppa

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yes, you're not trying to defend them, you're trying to say they are bad

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GambleNats

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im trying to say your thought that the chinese teams or players are "not trying" is objectively wrong

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Kaust

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Meh they don’t have good enough coaches and a lot of teams are in the process of shifting out the old guard. It’ll only go up from here
Also you watched a terrorist attack called NathanD today

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officialnlechoppa

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I also think the coaches aren't good, but idk much about them so I left this opinion out

yes, NathanD... I said this once and I'll say it again, all teams picking Miks don't care enough about winning

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I'd even prefer if you assumed that they're just bad rather than just "not trying to win"

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officialnlechoppa

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you assume everyone is always trying to win

you do know mental health is a thing right? I've seen players give up a lot because they had weak mentals

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MrBlooBloom

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I'm assuming they're tring to do thair job and what they've spent their entire life trying to achieve, which makes the most sense. You're assuming off of nothing other than totally unrelated stuff

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officialnlechoppa

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you're also assuming that off of nothing

they're getting paid really well, and you know they don't have to be the greatest player OAT to keep getting paid, they just have to be good enough

if you really think every single one of these players is there because they really wanna be the best, then you're the kind of person who thinks matchfixing doesn't exist (not saying that's the case)

some people care more about getting paid and just staying on the team than actually trying to be the 2nd coming of aspas

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cirruss

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you’re genuinely braindead

why would they compete if they didn’t want to win or be the best. like you were told, they’re paid well, and could easily make a living off streaming alone if they cared about money the most

the region is pretty far behind on overall macro bar a few teams and smart players.

you also do realize that, if an org just sees that their players are “giving up”, they’ll just cut them lol. the team does have a say in it all yknow, clearly you didn’t think any of this through

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officialnlechoppa

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overreactive teenager can't start a discussion without an insult, what a surprise

I would discuss this with you but you are clearly not mentally prepared to talk about different points of view like a normal person

regards

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cirruss

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MB

would just like to understand your pov because it doesn’t really make sense. in a vacuum where the players are guaranteed their salary and positions it would, but that’s not the case

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officialnlechoppa

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they can just be mid to the point where they don't look bad, but they're not the best player on the team, like Veqaj, Nerve, or Xeppaa, they are mid, but not bad (and I don't think it's intentional either). orgs don't usually cut mid players, especially the ones that don't have enough money to sign better players

so if you're not good but also not ruining the team, they won't cut you/will take a long time to do it. "not trying to win" can also be running into the enemy team every round, getting kills, but not really helping your team, if a player gets 30 kills and his team loses, and you look at him just trying to farm kills every round (like JohnKD), this is also not trying to win, but an org wouldn't cut a player who keeps dropping 30 kills

if all teams had a lot of money, I'm sure they would cut any player who isn't actively making a difference. but some players know they're guaranteed to stay for a certain amount of time, so they can afford to not really be the best until the contract is getting to an end

also, a player who gives up once because his mental is weak is probably never going to get cut. they'll send that player to the team's psychologist and they'll try to fix that issue, then if it keeps showing up, he'll get fired. my point is most teams are more lenient than they should be, contracts + not enough money makes it not so easy

idk if you watch the NBA, but Zach Lavine is a player who wasn't trying hard enough on defense and still getting paid millions to play, if the coach and GM think it's all good, they won't cut the player, and he'll keep getting away with it. just like a normal job, you can pretend to work and never actually work, you'll get paid, people might not even notice it and you'll just keep doing it for a lot of reasons; you might feel unappreciated, or you might not like what you're being told to do, you might not like your coworkers.... anyway, this is my full argument, I've explained everything exactly how I see it

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cirruss

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i see what you're trying to say but I respectfully disagree. even if a person is dropping 30 kills, the team absolutely has the right to kick them, especially if results do not live up to what the team wants. see vitality and trexx last year, he was one of if not the best player on the team and he was kicked after bangkok. granted, it was due to internal issues, but no team is guaranteed to be completely satisfied with performances like that especially if it comes at the expense of the team winning games.

not all teams have sports psychiatrists, and even then, some players are bigger of an issue than something a psychiatrist can work on. also in vct, if a player is benched, the org is not responsible for paying out the rest of their contract if they choose to bench a player (unless there is a clause in their contract stating the opposite).

for the last thing i'll start with the analogy with zach lavine; the fact is that he is a pure scorer. i'm not gonna argue about whether or not he's overpaid or not (even though he absolutely is), but with how the nba is and has been for a while, defense is not nearly as important as offensive ability and shot creation is in the nba right now, and has been for the last ten years. and finally, the second half about how it's easy to pretend to work and not work at all doesn't really apply to esports or valorant at all. there's only 5 people playing at a time, and it's nearly if not completely impossible for a player to stay out of the limelight at all. especially in scrims or outside of the vct games, if you are blowing off practice teams will not want you.