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nats over time maybe? munchkin over time?
saadhak fns ange1 boostio are far away
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willWeEver see an igl take boaster's goat igl spot
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kind of. Hard to say because his team has changed so little over time. Boaster's been on FNATIC, but they've had a lot more changed than valyn has.
On g2 alone tho he's the best igl
they change one player a year, and still haven't gotten through the whole old g2 team yet. thats easy mode as far as adapting to team changes and structures comes.
valyn has had 2 different coaching systems built around him with only 1 teammate remaining throughout all of it. yes they never made drastic changes it was always integrating 1 player at a time but as far as having to adjust to new teammates hes pretty high up there for staying on 1 team.
Holy shit I didn’t realize that valyn and Trent are the only ones left from 2022
nah don't count psalm, he didn't even play any of the qualifiers i just checked
doesn't that give Boaster more opportunity? plus if with every iteration he's shat the bad doesn't that make him the common denominator
plus if with every iteration he's shat the bad doesn't that make him the common denominatorbut he hasnt?
most iterations are successful teams tho, so doesn't that make him the common denominator? Just reverse the argument and it's also true.
that's fair but I never said he's bad, or meant to
i meant to say Valyn clears him, especially due to the fragging differencial
Valyn: 7th-8th, 3rd, 7th-8th, 2nd, 4th, 13th-16th, 7th-8th
Boaster: 2nd, 5th-8th, 11th-12th, 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
boaster clears valyn in everything (IGLing, All Time Success) except fragging
And the fragging is the reason you see 4 2nd places man that's my whole point
G2 are just notorious chokers which is fair enough to blame on Valyn but it's why they don't have amazing placements
recently 100% valyn clears. GOAT debates are hard tho, depends on how much u value history, different metas, and teammates. I'd say both are definitely valid answers
- Boaster Derke Mistic Magnum Doma (2/3 Intl. Event Qualified): 2nd, 5th-8th
- Boaster Derke Mistic Magnum Braveaf (1/1 Intl. Event Qualified): 11th-12th (FNC played with 2 subs at MReykjavik 2022)
- Boaster Derke Mistic Alfajer Enzo (2/2 Intl. Event Qualified): 4th, 5th-6th
- Boaster Derke Chronicle Alfajer Leo (4/5 Intl. Event Qualified): 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th
- Boaster Derke Hiro Alfajer Chronicle (1/1 Intl. Event Qualified): 5th-6th
- Boaster Kaajak Chronicle Alfajer Crashies (3/5 Intl. Event Qualified): 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
fnatic has been in the top 8 (at minimum) of every event they had their full roster in
chokes in internationals, knocked out by fnc and boaster in 2024 champs + toronto lol
Valyn cannot have that title with no international title and only one final
there is no time left for munchkin, maybe if he wins 3 times this year but pretty sure hes off to military next year
and definitely not nats lmfao
? if he wins an event this year he won more masters than fnatic, sen and prx and gets t1 their second trophy
if munchkin wins only once this year he will have 2 trophies, tied with boaster, but a lot less international appearances with high placements. Currently, he kinda really only has 2024 going for him, while boaster has credit in 2021,2022, 2023, and 2025. For Munchkin, 2025 was a let down and full of slander (tiltkin, chokekin, and most people dont rate EWC as much). and not really much of note in 2023, 2022, and 2021.
A trophy this year will do a lot more for meteor in the goat discussion than munchkin. maybe if they get 1/2 high placements and win champs, but unless that happens i dont see much of a strong argument of putting munchkin over boaster
Boaster is the best scout for choosing his teammates. Shit player tho. And best igl is a pity achievement as we have no tangible evidence other than longevity cope.
I dont know man, i feel fns and may be saadhak have same level , if not better, its just that fnatic's roster has always been god level. Its so much better to have chronicle and alfa always and kaajak as well last year.
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