ENVY = Pro Teams?

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obliqueobserver
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If you were to place Envy in t1, where will ENVY be or are they still not in t1 level teams? because some of these t1 teams are just flat out not worthy of their title.

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MrHyphon
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Better than furia

#5
obliqueobserver
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Furia probably wont be high level team in ascension.

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KINGMANNY42
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EG level

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obliqueobserver
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So mid to low? Or just low level t1?. Idk eg's current performance.

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Tempest24
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C / D tier

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Ahnri
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similar to C9/NS/Navi level teams

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KiwiJuice
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C9 is not on Navi/NS level

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Ahnri
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If you’re an idiot then yeah ig.

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newnewfighter
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I remember there was an interview with mada or someone from nrg where they were asked about envy. They said they hate scrimming envy and losing to them because they just peak everything so practicing strats isn't good against them. So the next scrim were just gonna play to beat envy. Vctscrims twitter posted the score with nrg winning.

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oriole
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Valyn and Jawgemo said the same thing on Platchat

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CadetYoda
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idk but ive heard envy farms in scrims

#12
Tempest24
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even bloody patrickwho used to farm in scrims

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n0sey
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bad, teams like the KRU of this season would smurf them due their playstyle is just to take duels...

#17
KiwiJuice
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I know for a fact you haven't watched a single Envy game

#24
OfficialYS
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You haven’t watched a Kru game lmao

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HIMNIJ
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probably like fighting for playoffs

#13
akcolade
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4TH OR 5TH in the region

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Orfeass
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Fairly low to be honest, I can see them beating uncoordinated teams with no structure and like Furia or 2G (I know they are relegated but I am including them because they were in T1 this year) but that's where the list kind of ends if we are talking about Americas.
I see people talk about them being on the same level as EG or KRU but realistically these teams have way better structure as a team and even on the individual skill department they outclass Envy.
Outside of Americas I would name Apeks, Team Secret and Global eSports as teams that they would be better than (I don't know enough about china to compare then) but even other low tier teams like Gentle mates and Zeta fall under the same category as EG and KRU.

Obviously with enough time and resources they can contest even higher ranked teams and we have already seen that top tier T2 teams can be really good in T1 like NS was so it's not that crazy to say that they could be in playoffs.

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TM06Nick
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9th-12th in americas. All they do is aim diff people. A mediocre IGL would cook their brains

#18
KiwiJuice
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99% of this thread is People talking out of their neck, they aint watch a single Envy game

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Btw do you guys think EG, C9 100T, Kru, Lev, Loud would all dominate tier 2? I think not. We see it enough in off season tournaments. Everyones saying go pick up tier 2 talent, but then at the same time they think TSM, Envy, Exolos,... Would all be shit in tier 1. Doesnt make sense

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In America a lot of yela are straight up bad tbh like every region 12-5 teams are better than America so region wise envy could really make there place. (Now w g2 staying top 1-2-3 its hard. Because of relegation) And. We have to remember valorant is a shooter ( a trash lile luck based shooter but still ) so if you out aim you opponents you win. And now i think. Trade wise. Envy beat a lot of team world wise. They have been playing together for a longer time than most team so..... Yeah they can do it

#22
m4
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Envy can't go to LAN and if they do they can only play mCe's team.

Most of tier 2 is allergic to LAN. It's called being online.

Riot, pay for LAN events.

Make Tier 2 Great Again.

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