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Players with the most kills in Champions:
🇧🇷 aspas: 1,046
🇫🇮 Derke: 967
🇰🇷 BuZz: 879
🇨🇳 ZmjjKK: 768
🇰🇷 Mako: 751

Players with the most assists in Champions:
🇰🇷 Mako: 483
🇦🇷 saadhak: 460
🇬🇧 Boaster: 410
🇧🇷 Sacy: 375
🇨🇱 Mazino: 296

Players with the most kills + assists in Champions:
🇧🇷 aspas: 1,268
🇰🇷 Mako: 1,234
🇫🇮 Derke: 1,141
🇦🇷 saadhak: 1,121
🇰🇷 BuZz: 1,071

Put Aspas in a superteam for 4 years and he’s gonna have a bunch of international trophies too, put Chronicle in Leviatán or MIBR and he’s not even making a single international that year.
Nothing’s gonna change my mind, haters can say whatever they want.

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Pulling up old stats huh ? Also trophy matters when aspas hasn’t won for 3 years now

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and emea hasn't won a trophy in 2 years so whats the difference in that sense

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I think he meant Chronicle has won more recently than Aspas, its pretty straight forward imo

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no he was talking about time not how many

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He is basically saying that Aspas couldn't win in the past 3 years, Chronicle has won two, 2 years ago. Yes, timewise as well Chronicle is in a better position, it's straightforward

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Also this bait ain’t working from chron when literally most of the Russian players couldn’t even play because of war situation where Optic and loud were there the only ones were Shao and suygetsu

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where did this come from
my sentence says: EMEA hasn't won a trophy in 2 years
is EMEA only russians?

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Yep The talented back then were only cis players now we have so many talents polish , Turkish and even the t2 have incredible players and the game has evolved

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what does this have to do with 2024 and 2025

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Log out and ask your folks right away if they intentionally/unintentionally dropped you as a kid coz what that guy said and what you are asking is literally correlated, you bonehead.

CIS was carrying EMEA and is still carrying EMEA, the difference is that other EU regions didn't have T1-ready talent, something which they do now, thanks to the VRL system EMEA used to have. That's why EMEA is doing well these days, even though CIS was buried 3 years ago.

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whats this fucking geek even talking about 😂

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“Old stats” These stats are current lil bro, pre-Champions numbers.
And Aspas did win VCT Americas last year.
With fucking LEVIATAN 😭

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and lev made top 3 champs that year. THAT leviatan and current leviatan is miles different

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they made top 3 because of Aspas. He leaves and now they are shit. Its not that hard to understand.

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no shit they built around him. Even then he was top frag once in playoffs

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Exactly, they built around him and were good because of that. You are further proving my point that he was the only reason the team was good

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Nothing’s gonna change my mind, haters can say whatever they want

What's the point in making a thread if you don't want to hear what people have to say?

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You are comparing Aspas and Chronicle by bringing up stats as if they play the same role 😂

This is not football, mate, and neither is this a Messi/Ronaldo debate. Chronicle flexes to every role, having played almost every agent at a high level. If I am not wrong, he played 4 different roles and 5 different agents against Aspas himself back at Lockin.

Aspas is on the verge of quitting Valorant because he can't play Yoru at a high level, and that's a duelist agent, too.

It's not really a debate. Chronicle has adjusted to different metas over the years and has won more trophies than Aspas

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i think you are mistaking chronicle as f0rsaken cuz chron has not played even close to every agent

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Idk 19/28 agents is pretty insane still, obviously f0rsaken has played more (24) but lets act like that makes chronicle any less flexible

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"Aspas is on the verge of quitting Valorant" what the actual fuck are you saying? Are you pulling this out of your ass?

Also everyone brings up stats to compare players all the time regardless of their roles, why would that be a problem? He is not comparing just kills, he is using assists also which Chronicle should have a lot of

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Aspas had LOUD and still only won 1 trophy js

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aspas was a very good player, now he's "just" good, there are far more players better than him now

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but they dont play the same role, so i dont think "swapping" them in one another's respective teams proves anything. 24' Lev, for all their internal problems, were still a superteam in terms of firepower, thats why they were able to place 3rd in champs despite aspas wanting to quit every single moment

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They were a superteam because they had Aspas, switch him with anyone else in the entire fucking world and the "LEV superteam" narrative crumbles real quick. I mean, it pretty much happened already in 2025. Demon1 is not far behind Aspas in terms of aim yet he couldnt do shit on the LEV "superteam", i wonder why is that...

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'delusional' and it's just people that disagree with you

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only irons think kills actually matter.

someone can go 19/20/5 but all those 19 kills can come from crucial rnds won like 1v2's, 1v1's, 1v3's. he won't show in these stats but his impact is crazy

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I’m so glad that stat padding doesn’t mean anything in 2025. Low impact GOAT