Does nAts make the Top 10 All time list?
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top 10 all time ez best list:
- Chronicle - initiator/flex
- Derke - duelist
- Aspas - duelist
- Boaster - igl/controller
- nAts - sentinel/igl
- Leo - initiator
- Sacy - initiator
- Yay - duelist/chamber
- Alfajer - duelist/sentinel
- F0rsaken - flex/igl?
Sorry but on what planet are Leo and Yay that high? Are you doing a BEST list or GREATEST list? Because in terms of greatness, Leo and Yay had much less impressive careers than guys like F0rsaken, KangKang, etc. really short success
stats-wise Leo/Yay clears tf out of f0rsaken at internationals (f0rsaken's stats at international have always been mid except for Toronto)
placements: (Yay and Leo clear zmjj, mako, & tenz)
Yay: 2nd, 9th-12th, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 9th-16th
Leo: 7th-8th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th
zmjj: 13th-16th, 17th-32nd, 5th-6th, 5th-6th, 5th-6th, 7th-8th, 1st, 3rd
the list is kind of a mix of both though (greatest/best) and Leo is bumped higher simply cuz he has the "coach's dream player" aura and Yay is high since he was a top 1-5 player for 5/15 vct events (a third of all events).
No. He definitely had a meaningful impact on the game but he hasn’t won a trophy since 2021, when Valorant had way weaker competition.
id argue today's competition (not skill) is way weaker than 2021. have u been watching vct?
also he was the #1 player of 2021 and is the best sentinel of all time + is now igling
Bro if you think today’s competition is way weaker then you must be smoking something. Even just looking at EMEA, if you transported current day TH, FNC, and TL back in time to 2021 and had them play at champs 2021 they’d probably go undefeated. Even teams like BBL and NAVI would be immediate title contenders.
Strategy, game theory, util coordination, etc has gotten way better over time, even for weaker teams today.
what u said:
when Valorant had way weaker competition.what i said:
today's competition (not skill) is way weaker than 2021clearly u can't read bro. I said "competition (not skill)." Of course fnc/th/tl 2025 in 2021 would beat everyone cuz they have better skill. However, the competition right now in 2025 is weaker than the competitiveness of teams in 2021
the last time he placed top 4 or higher at an international was 2021, meanwhile i can name 10 players who have most definitely performed better and placed better. no hate to nats hes one of my favourite players but its the truth
Talon flairs trying to look as idiotic as possible:
he edited his message to clarify a little nvm
even then nAts deserves top 10
can u justify how nats is top 10 tho?
also im only using this flair cus i like the red
Because even if he doesn't have the achievements, can you tell me how one can achieve something on teams like the old Liquid? nAts has been holding his own for years
He's shown consistency, and now he's a fragging IGL and a proper leader, I think he deserves a spot
He doesn’t have the career accomplishments and consistency of other players though. Even on the weaker TL rosters nAts was a decent player, not an elite player.
Ultimately, top 10 lists start and stop with accomplishments and individual statistics, and there are at least 10 players better than him in those areas.
but other players have done far more than him
aspas
chronicle
derke
leo
less
alfajer
boaster
sacy
TenZ
f0rsaken
i would put him like top 13
I mean those are good choices I can't argue
But nAts is doing a lot currently, that adds up for me and I think he still has more to go
Sacy retired
TenZ retired
aspas in a bit of a pickle
Leo is still sick
nAts is still here and basically pivotal for TL's success (alongside Keiko), so that's my reasoning
edit: I lowkey read what I said and this sounds like these players I mentioned shouldn't be in the top 10, which is wrong xdd
nats is one of the only few people still relevant from 2021 so I think he should be in the top 10
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