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#1
Nollihd07
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What if fnatic doesn't win champs?
Who are they gonna remove now?
Kaajak and Crashies just got here
They won't remove boaster.
Alfajer and Chronicle are good?

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themaniel
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they won’t make a change

#6
Nollihd07
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They ain't winning champs.
They'll make a change.

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serot
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You don’t need to make a change every time you don’t get results. If a team is made of winning caliber players like fnatic already is you should just stick to the roster and build up more team chemistry till you get what the G2 core have achieved.

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vorro1x
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and what exactly have the G2 core achieved?

#28
Ghostjinn
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top 2, 3 and 4 finishes at recent internationals + guaranteed americas winners is quite the achievement in a game like val

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vorro1x
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we're comparing to fnc btw

#45
serot
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I meant to use g2 as an example of a core that has stuck together so long that they have some of the best teamplay in vct.

#47
vorro1x
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fnc already achieved that with chronicle boaster and alfa

#49
Nollihd07
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Chronicle
Alfa
Just these two.

#52
serot
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I don’t think they are at the G2 level yet, and correct me if I’m wrong but that’s basically a core from only 2 years ago onward. Regardless it’s a gamble to blow up an existing system that has given results before and within this year with two fresh faces. If Kaajak and crashies stay I have little doubt they will continue to improve both individually and add their own strengths to the existing fnatic system.

#54
vorro1x
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they've literally been together for years and won EMEA 3 times, won 2 internationals, and got 2nd at a Masters and EWC how is that not G2 level lmao

#55
Skwish
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they aren't at g2 level, they're above it

#56
serot
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I mean personally I feel that’s bc they have strong individuals more than them having extremely good teamplay. It’s for sure good, but it’s not as good as what I see from G2. It’s like the difference between an engine with great performance but not perfectly maintained parts and a super well maintained engine with less output.

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Nollihd07
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Didn't they do -derke because of not winning any international event that year.

#34
LvL10GYATT
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There's no public Information about this.

Could have been like you said.

Could have been him leaving, because he doesn't believe the team will get results.

Could have been Fnatic not meeting his expactations in a financial way.

#43
Nollihd07
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?
Bro when you have guys like chronicle and alfajer?
Why would you think the team can't get results?

#31
catNmouse
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prx would’ve been a better example imo

kept their core for nearly 4 years and won a masters recently (on top of making a champs final and another masters final)

#46
serot
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Yeah I just needed an example of keeping a core and iterating and improving in small steps rather than blowing up half the roster in a gamble.

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z4kr9
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not an fnc fan but keep the roster no?

#4
Ldrago
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whats with vlr and removing ppl?

#8
Nollihd07
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Fnatic does lots of roster changes

#9
Skwish
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i think there's only been 4/5 in the past year which compared to lots of other teams isnt many

#17
Nollihd07
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Well you guys had the core of 2 consecutive international events winning team.
And still 4/5 changes.
That's too much.

#18
Skwish
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im including coaching changes but if we're talking players, there's only been 2 since like 2022

#32
Nollihd07
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That's still a lot for a winning core.

#38
Skwish
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but again, compared to other teams that's been miniscule as hell

#40
Nollihd07
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Well because other teams don't have a trophy winning core.
This is the difference.

#51
Maine
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'_'

#12
Ldrago
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no they removed leo due to health issues, why derke left is still unclear thats it

#19
Nollihd07
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They benched derke.
Why would he leave fnatic?

#25
Ldrago
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yeah i mean its unclear why they benched derke

#26
Nollihd07
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Unclear?
It's pretty clear.
He was the weak point according to fnatic management.

#57
Ldrago
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yeah sure

#13
Galactc
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Nah not really a lot of them are pretty forced onto them or are actually big upgrades they don't do random changes

#35
Nollihd07
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I don't think kaajak was an upgrade over Derke

#42
Galactc
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Fair I'd say it was a sidegrade in a sense but all their other moves besides Hiro and Crashies who were there because of circumstances with Leo the rest were honestly good moves and not done too often and even those 2 were great as well

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SENfns
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idk probably bring back elmapuddy or sumn

#7
Galactc
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Just keep the roster tbh changes are so unnecessary for a lot of teams not just fnc

#10
Nollihd07
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They need an igl that can shoot back.
🙂‍↔️🫡

#30
Galactc
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he shoots back fine enough

#48
Itsover
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There's only 1 and I doubt that he will leave lulquid.

#11
eStos
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bring Enzo and Mistic in

#15
babysasuke
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Fnatic will never win another trophy because they'll remove anyone but the problem.

Chronicle is washed and Boaster has been deadweight for 4 years atp

#21
Nollihd07
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True.

#16
SleepingSnorlax
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This is pure ragebait lol

#20
Nollihd07
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No I want to see -boaster.

#23
SleepingSnorlax
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When Ange1 and JessieVash can go on for few years ofc boaster can stay for a few years more and FNC not letting that mastermind get away easily

#27
babysasuke
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insane glazing

"that mastermind" 💀

he's maybe top 20 IGL and can't shoot his gun

#33
SleepingSnorlax
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Who cares about shooting gun when you team have insane aimers and you just need to get impact and win games

#37
babysasuke
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"who cares about being good at the game when you can get 4 other players that are good at the game to make up for the bum you keep to make content around"

#41
Nollihd07
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Impact?
If FNS had this level of insane aimers during his time at NRG as an igl he would have clean sweeped an entire year.

#44
babysasuke
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FNS had better aimers on Optic and won a real event and 2nd at Champs (against one of the best teams of all time), so confirmed + better results than Fraudnatic

#29
Nollihd07
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I wouldn't call him a mastermind.
He won consecutively with a superteam.
And now when there's a fall in their level of play.
They'll obviously get the better players they want to improve.

#50
NioMS
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Acting like we make changes all the time

Only done Kaajak for Derke since 2023

Having to find replacements for Leo was not in their control

#53
Nollihd07
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As if Kaajak is an upgrade over Derke

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