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Smartest vs Dumbest Duelists

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#1
Just_some_loser

smartest: Zekken? I dont think I've ever seen him take a bad fight. He always makes the optimal play, aggros when he has to, falls back when advantaged

dumbest: Something. I dont think this needs to be said even. Never have i seen a player as fkng cracked as he is, throw as much as he does, theres no contest

#2
Paraplant
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sure something throws a lot but THE dumbest? hell nah

#3
foythvlr
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i think something case is less being dumb and more being reliable on risky plays since its the whole prx thing

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delighted
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something is not the dumbest duelist lmao

0 ball knowledge

#8
Just_some_loser
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flair

#9
delighted
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aight bro slow down

TS has 3 duelists

who are u referring to

#23
temi
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4

#24
delighted
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😭🙏💔🥀

QUADRUPLE DUELIST COMP OUT OF DESPERATION

#25
temi
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Invy on smokes… good luck

#26
delighted
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invy will fry

trust

#34
31Raven
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philippines classic - 4 duel cypher

#36
delighted
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this is why TS are winning Champs

#5
andrzx
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palla is the dumbest

#6
_techpause
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Something throws but his macro gameplay with Yoru is so smart. Literally saved their Lotus.

Just because a duelist throws doesn’t mean they’re dumb. By that definition, everyone in PRX is dumb

#10
Just_some_loser
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he's improved a lot ever since the yoru shift, cant say much else about his other agents

#28
noahkraken
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His Jett on icebox looked great too last time

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cameran
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nah dumbest has to be Oxy.
This guy has no patience at all and makes peeks he doesnt need to make

#11
pztzy
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dumbest: j0ngg zero brain, always overheat never satisfied with 1

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mnkykng
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might have to agree Jingg always goes for more ngl but it usually works

#16
vlrnewuser
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Ask alecks why they duelist play like that. Like some teams have their on way of playing.

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pztzy
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if its their own way of playing why does every member always tells j0ngg to retreat and he never listen which leads to j0ngg dying like a dumbahh

#30
vlrnewuser
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It's just a few moments and not always. Sometimes in the game it's hard to focus or make decisions. Like jinggg and something, they are the same type of duelists who take risks by gambling if they succeed it's good and when they fail they are called stupid clowns in heat. Like right now jinggg and something are entry duelist prx when using raze and jett. Jinggg and something don't fish like aspas as entry duelists to create aggression on offense and cut off offense on defense. How much impact do you not see bro? Do people here only like to see pro players play neat and safe smoothly? I dont like prx but I'm not blind to the micro and macro of their good play.

#43
pztzy
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aint no way you defends how jingg play thats crazy

#46
vlrnewuser
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I'm not defending him bro, just stating facts. Indeed, sometimes there are stupid things he does but from all that there are also many good thing he does too.

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Lidire
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something made his career playing 1v9 on japanese t2 scene, while zekken started with established former cs pros. they both needed to compensate with the lack off or abundance of game iq they were playing with to survive and improve at the game. at the end of the day both are masters winners so both succeeded on their own ways.

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themaniel
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EDG Nobody on yoru is dumbest

#15
Ronyko23
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Both got same trophies & something did it in lesser time in t1

And champs grand final. Someting is chilling

#18
catNmouse
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zekken mvp: 1
something mvp: 0

#19
Ronyko23
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There was no official mvp in 2024

And even with that something got champs final in rookie season.

Something gonna 360 tf out of na teams if he can do that in apac.

#20
Bhrubby
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Icy

#22
pztzy
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Smartest 4sure system player

#21
catNmouse
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dumbest is havoc easily

#27
noahkraken
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Something is not dumb, he just takes more risks sometimes. If you actually watch his Yoru, like vs FNC in Toronto on Lotus, he knows how to play out mid round and postplant situations way better than he used to. Listening to PRX voice com throughout Toronto really shows how smart he has become. Now he’s been incredibly consistent in stage 2 (top 3 rated player)

#29
Bernazoka
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Start watching vct china and you will see dumb duelists

#32
Ronyko23
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Blud still comparing duelist to zekken. Blud is in 2023..

#31
Twentytwo
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Something is not dumb, he just likes throwing. I think it's a habit he got when he was playing in Japan, his teammates were shit so he always tried to solo win games. If you watch something in 2023 his decision making was much better.

#33
Ahnri
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He’s good but it’s gotta be jinggg. Only one who could match him is TLN Governor

#35
hehe444
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nah jinggg is my sacrifitial lamb goat

#37
CinnamonStew34s
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tvirusluke, all time dumbest duelist ever

#38
Ronyko23
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Better than nobody yoru. And he can't even play yoru

#39
CinnamonStew34s
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nobody's playing yoru? :skull:

#40
Ronyko23
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you missed Nobody's yoru masterclass..

https://www.vlr.gg/527576/edward-gaming-vs-dragon-ranger-gaming-vct-2025-china-stage-2-ubqf

#42
noahkraken
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Weirdly enough he looked decent the first time he played it but then looked awful the second time

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dimmed
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If we are talking about never taking bad fights, smartest duelist simply has to be G2 icy. Even if you disagree with icy, I don't think its zekken a LOT of times zekken has died because he's peaked too early instead of waiting for util (smokes, drones etc.)

#48
IPsoFACT0
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I think that’s fair, but Zekken has also gotten better over course of season at choosing when to aggro vs when to play for time/spacing. It’s honestly one of his superpowers given how mechanically gifted he is there has to be constant temptation to swing oxy style. Some of this is likely result of more comfort with team’s roles and agents. But scary thing is he just turned 20 and can still get even better before fully peaking.

The age old Zellsis on SEN question is more puzzling to me. Love the dude and he clutches a lot but also throws against elite teams too often. Seeing senti beasts like leaf, alfa, lux xo, less out there def makes one wonder what could be…?

#44
Fluxcicide
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dambi is the dumbest duelist

#47
CinnamonStew34s
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not when tvirusluke exists

#49
Verstepping33
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no

#45
Re2
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ppl forgot about h0v0c????

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