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#1
Jivko

Say what you like but the truth is that this event is probably already top3 internationals in my book.

The format is amazing - 12 (TWELVE) matches in 1 day, most of them being really competitive and entertaining, is something we've never seen in VCT and the sad part is that it had to be 3rd party tournament to show us that BO1's are actually good. Take notes Riot.

There's no excuse for Riot to keep making Masters with 8 and 12 teams when there's literal proof now that you can have 16 teams and still finish within 2 weeks.

Valorant felt like real eSports to me for the first time since 22' and if there's no major schedule change for next year with the addition of 3rd Masters, then Riot will just show how much they don't care about this game taking over the FPS and Tac Shooter scene.

There's always a way, but there's always an excuse too. They choose their path.

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Effluxi
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0/64 holy shit

#3
Dudhi
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"BO1's are actually good" 0/8
a lil edit: looking at ewc's format overall weirdly enough they have only 1 BO1 in the format, the opening match in groups. still weird. if they made that a BO3 then this would be a legit tourney with a playoff style just like lock in

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Effluxi
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it still wouldn't they've dog production and are playing online instead of LAN 💀

#14
Dudhi
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did not know they were not on LAN, noted.

#15
EndMePleaseUwU
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You act like Riot hasn't done this before 😂

#17
Jayde
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When have they played internationals on lan?

#34
waseetali9
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they did the first ones

#37
Jayde
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Both berlin and Reykjavík were lan events

#38
waseetali9
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in one of these tourney they played on server due to issues with some player like covid and shit

#40
Jayde
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One game. This is purely on lan🥀

#41
waseetali9
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i am js correcting your statement buddy nothing else
but it was more than one game

#42
Jayde
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Its a diff thing when u do it cuz of a player issue then just host it onlike fully

#48
paToTek
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Why tf does it matter if it's 0 ping or 15 ping? The game doesn't change in any meaningful way, everyone's on the same ping, and it's all sub 20 which is great ping. Why does it matter at all if it is or isn't "LAN" in the literal sense?

#49
Effluxi
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0/8 ragebait aint nobody that believes this especially after all the tech issues on B stream

#46
prerit2200
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if it were BO3s openers, then the format would be just like champs, not lock in

#4
DrudaL
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who cares bruh, just be happy we got more games

#5
Jayde
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Stopped reading after the first sentence, pretty obvious u havent been around for long

#6
Jivko
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The community if the main reason why this game will probably never overtake CS :)

#7
Effluxi
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came back to double down on the bait 0/512 really awful, actually try next time

#9
segbench
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your mom is the main reason

#10
Jayde
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That one didnt hit.

#16
segbench
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neither will you twerp

#8
segbench
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bottom 3 international event easy

#11
AGlover
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good take, don't care about these militants

#12
KClaw
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Top tier rage bait, maybe they would integrate a third masters in for future. Cs has so many shit happening since they have lot of gambling money coming in all the time also just gonna put it out there that a person just spends way more money to get an S tier cs skin than a top tier valo skin. Also yeah go on the zellsis word to say that a game with a 5 year history can't overtake a game with a 15+ year history.

#18
pokpi
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bait or not op is right imo bo1 for opening matches are not bad

#19
Jayde
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If teams were actually smart we wouldve seen all of the masters teams losing cuz u can just cook up 1ndone comps

#20
PRLV
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im sorry but the production is NOWHERE near VCT level, the casters are meh (the new ones i mean VCT ones like mitch and tom are still great), and the replays and observers are just not it. Not to mention the fact that they are playing on online servers on 30 ping (and i think cryo even lagged out once)

#21
pokpi
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tbh almost all vct casters are meh

#22
Jayde
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Which casters arent meh then lmao

#24
pokpi
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bren sideshow maybe pansy and poc guy

#25
Jayde
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I think achilios and paperthin are good too aswell as some others but ok

#23
teilwal
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“mitch and tom are still great” 💀

#26
Warlordwibz
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The format is amazing

12 matches in 1 day featuring all the team is great, wayy better than LOCK IN, since it took multiple days to compensate bo3 to see all the teams (yes 16 teams to 32 teams). I support EDG and the amount of times I heard "map 1 is just aim map, no big deal etc" excuses, I HATE IT. I want to every team to try win every round, in which bo1 support that. The PRX vs BLG game & SEN vs BBL is perfect example of it, it makes the team preventing losing too much round differential and keep the game close. For the team that just gave up EDG & TH, is deserved, just start in lower elimination then have the bo3 starts as elimination game.

Masters with 8 and 12 teams

8 team masters just doesn't feel competitive, there's only fkin 8, get more representation in. 12 teams are also shit, Free bye to playoff and then complain about it? All teams should start in groups/swiss stage, playoff teams perform like shit and get top 8 is undeserved.

Valorant felt like real eSports to me for the first time since 22..... with the addition of 3rd Masters

I agree Masters 3 is needed (3 masters + 1 champs), in VCT we have 4 regions, have all 4 regions hold those 3+1 event.

Overall

  • BO3 is good when teams try from map 1, not start at map 2. Team A throw map 1 and Team B throw map 2, and only took map 3 seriously.
  • BO1 is only good at the start of tournament to make serious team through to qual for playoff and to get rid of teams to lowers elimination who just gave up the map not making it close cause they don't bother strengthening their map pool. BO3 is always preferred after the starting opening game.
  • Instead of masters 1 having 8 team tourney, I'd much prefer this EWC format with 16 teams (even though RIOT won't able to do 2 broadcast/2 matches venue), seeing more teams with starting bo1 -> bo3 onwards is much better than watching 8 teams tourney.
  • 3 masters full BO3 + champs bo3 won't fit in current VCT calendar, 1 masters with this format will make it possible. MORE TEAMS.
#27
Jayde
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Why tf would teams throw a map, do u know what the concept of a map pick is?

#28
Warlordwibz
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9-3, half, 10-2 half, a stomp will always have that mindset, IF there is a map 2 or 3. Some players/team just don't have game plan/mindset to play BO1.

#29
Jayde
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The concept of a map pick is that you pick a map that u either feel very confident on, one u think the other team might be bad at, u have a good gameplan on or just anything that gives u an advantage. Even tho ur team has better aim and mechanics u can still get stomped by a mid tier team if their gameplan is good, valorant is about tactics and outplaying not just aim duels.
The amount of time teams put into maps vary a lot which is why u probably feel that way

#30
Warlordwibz
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your description perfectly shows how solo who took like 5 to 10mins (when VCT used to show coach map veto) and have player like munchkin who crumbles mentally and throw lead. in EDG documentary century tells how all the map in Seoul was all the maps EDG wanted to play. In Spike talk Fayde said that Wolves map veto is perfect for all the maps they wanted to play thus crediting how their run went so smoothly. IN TH and EDG game in EWC, they already look defeated compared to PRX and SEN respective game.

#31
Jayde
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What r u saying, throwing and crimbling under pressure r 2 completely different things

#35
Warlordwibz
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in bo1 throwing is when u completely give up to lose the game
in bo3 throwing in map 1 means stop trying and focus on map 2 and 3 (2nd life/chance)

crumbling under pressure in bo1 is when u give up big leads and lose the game
crumbling under pressure in bo3 is when u win map 1 and throw map 2 and 3.

#33
pokpi
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no simon no win

#39
Warlordwibz
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EDG beat TEC in split 2 opening game without s1mon.
s1mon won us champs and make it playoff bangkok yes
no s1mon no qual to Toronto and lose in EWC, technicality u right.
Don't see how s1mon topic contributes in #26 or #30 discussion tho.

#32
Yuniee44
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Its a good third party tournament. Anyone rating it higher than that is just trying really hard to stick it to the anti EWC crowd, im convinced of that lol

#36
waseetali9
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its the same as a masters

#47
Yuniee44
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Silly take. Terrible qual process, poor timeslot, old patch, bo1 format, not even a losers bracket in playoffs lol

#44
Jayde
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Sure ig

#45
targuin
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Gosh dang, how much are they paying?

This is not the example you need to show that bo1s are good. Its quite the opposite since it doesnt even attempt to understand why bo1s are useful.
We've had PLENTY better implementations in t2 already and people have still disliked them.

The reason you would do bo1's is to speed up aspects of large group stages. Either to increase the amount of teams that can participate (1) or to use it to increase accuracy of the format in a shorter time frame (2) that cant fit a full bo3 round robin

(1) Look at https://www.vlr.gg/event/2540/challengers-2025-north-east-samsung-odyssey-split-3/lower-swiss-phase for example.
This is how you use bo1s in an eliminating format. 3 wins/losses, only qualifying/eliminating games are bo3.
The bo1 allow for far more teams to partake, while choosing (pseudo) swiss as the format (isnt punished as badly by the inaccuracies of bo1s).

(2) You can also do full bo1 round robin group stages where the idea is to maximize the amount of games in a shorter split. This allows the format to reward the consistent teams without being influence by a lucky group draw (see this years vct format for a bad example).
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2389/challengers-2025-t-rkiye-birlik-split-2/league-phase

EWC just fails at all the positives I talked about. It doesnt understand what bo1s can do. It (very on brand with the rest of the event tbh) just wants to go for the biggest numbers possible, without giving 2 shits about the competitive design of their event.

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