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Riot draw fix

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#1
rud

can someone explain to me why they can’t use either one of these systems instead?

1) the 1-0 team with the best map/round differential plays the team with the worst, ie 1. GENG vs 4. BLG and 2. PRX vs 3. SEN. This ensures that no team gets a cake walk (better for competitiveness)

2) no regional matchups are allowed in the first round, ie PRX draws GENG but since it’s a regional matchup GENG gets moved to play BLG instead (better for viewer enjoyment)

Unless BLG beats SEN I’m convinced this was a ploy by Riot to make sure SEN make playoffs at their NA event

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Also an apac team slides into playoffs for free again for some reason at least the other one still has a chance to qualify but people are talking so much shit I wanna see both qualify at the same time

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Zerphyr1
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with the 2nd system prx drew geng in the second round not the first and im pretty sure regionals arent allowed on the first matchup

also sometimes regional matchups are unavoidable for the 3rd round

#4
rud
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mb I meant to say 2nd round

#5
shrike-
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this "riot rigged the event so sen makes playoffs" narrative makes no sense

if this was the case then why didn't they do the same for champs or madrid

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Riot likes SEN for sure, but they wouldn't rig it. BLG vs SEN is prob the most fair match up and will be close unless some1 on BLG shits the bed, or Zekken realizes hes Zekken.

Also, PRX vs GenG is a heater of a match.

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Galactc
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Idk unless BLG has some secret shit we don't know about winning 2-1 vs a liquid team that surely can't do much of anything

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hoboclap
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Its pretty early, but looks like they are doing pretty good
8-4 icebox rn

#17
Galactc
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Yeah they have the secret shit or liquid is secretly cracked but I want to think blg is a good team

#18
hoboclap
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Zekken and johnqt happened

#19
Galactc
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BLG still can make playoffs and I wouldn't have said that yesterday so it's fine honestly

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hoboclap
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hopefully, I have them for playoffs rn. and rn, my pickems are perfect

#27
Galactc
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Noooo :( who's the 4th for you

#28
hoboclap
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PRX and BLG are the teams I have to make playoffs other than GenG and SEN

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Galactc
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Damn I have heretics and liquid I'm doing alright pickem wise but that's because I has sen geng in playoffs I forgot to make pickems for yesterday

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XAXAX
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I think we should use rules number 1 (using round different). It's fair

#12
penpen
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randomness is the most fair. which is what theyre going for. no matter what they do ppl will say its rigged. u could get players to do it, fans to do it yet youll still argue "they can be paid to grab a certain ball" but its only fair. whilst regional matchups are boring, no one is going out bcos of a regional just yet so its fine.

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XAXAX
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Rule number 1 is not only to be fair, it also increases the enthusiasm of the teams to sweep clean

#9
cameran
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because then its not an actual swiss stage unfortunately
Tho I do like that system, pretty cool

#10
edgno1fan3
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no. any semi-deterministic system potentially allows competitors to abuse it. as a general rule of thumb, it should never be in a team's best interest to play worse (i.e, losing on purpose).

say, on day 1, theoretically, a strong team (team 1) is upset by the weakest team in swiss (team 4) by a large margin - not unreasonable, since valorant is a very high variance game. team 2 and team 3 play and have a close match with team 2 winning and team 3 going to losers.

on day 2, when team 5 and team 6 play, say team 5 get a huge map and round lead. it is now in team 5's best interests to intentionally throw rounds to make map 2 as close as possible, to ensure they get matched against team 4 rather than team 2. this is clearly uncompetitive. similarly, it is now in team 6's best interests to lose as hard as possible in order to not get matched against team 1 in losers. this is clearly extra uncompetitive.

draw systems that don't reward losing on purpose are extremely hard to design in an environment where better teams can and often lose to worse teams. in that sense, a purely random draw is the fairest system possible - you can't complain about a dice roll.

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Astar
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tbh just do the buchholz system like they did in cs rather than rng draw. how hard can it be riot

#13
GambleNats
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Unless BLG beats SEN I’m convinced this was a ploy by Riot to make sure SEN make playoffs at their NA event

unless the result I want happens riot rigged the event,

yeah bro if liquid dont win toronto riot rigged it

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the draw should've made it so that the same region should not be allowed to play itself
i.e instead of having PRX vs GENG (apac vs apac)
shouldf've had APAC vs CN and APAC vs NA

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Hyxagon
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what if riot released a poll with every possible draw and the viewers get to vote on which one they want
edit: didn’t mean to reply to this message my b

#21
SENfns
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no because teams with bigger fanbases are going to skew it
so teams like SEN will give themselves easier matchups

#22
K4ziuHa
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or vote for their pickems

#23
SENfns
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what

#24
K4ziuHa
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like if they picked sen to go through theyd give them the easiest matchups possible

#26
Hyxagon
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so it rewards teams for playing for good fanbase

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