i feel like she made a REALLY strong arugment against brick. ofc you can never really PROVE whether someone was sa'd unless there's audio/video proof, but like brick seems like a genuinely horrible human being. doxing, spamming, lying, jesus she's got the holy trinity
ofc flor isn't clear, but she was young at the time so yes the relationship as a whole was toxic, but idk if brick was rped
after seeing both sides...ill have to admit it looks like there was no SA but also we all gotta admit that all of the people involved i.e. flor, bricks, bricks friend .. are toxic af and honestly dont deserve to date anyone
oh for sure they're toxic, but does that mean we should get our pitchforks and drive flor out of t1? no
i do want to see what ppl say about her attitude in prac environment tho
ya but her teammates also said her attitude is very bad towards her roommates/teammates so until she improves it..its better that she stays outta T1
yeah she needs help, but i dont think she should get like banned or something bc of this
why not....she got famous in GC as a dude cosplayin as a woman.... got his shit handed in T1..still has tihe attitute and personality of an arrogant narcissistic prick..so yeah...might as well ban them
yep...dont know what to call them....and couldnt care less for people who behave like this
nomatter how skilled a person is...doesnt give them the right to be a piece of shit
again, arent you a toxic narcissist person yourself? at least they achieved something unlike you living in a basement
Only point I agree with is the first , but… I’m not sure you saw any of Apeks matches flor shoved and seemed to be the only signs of life on that team
didnt deny that.... m just sayin...does a person's profesional excellence excuse their criminal behaviour.... are we saying that just cuz they are a great player...we can excuse toxic behaviour?
Funny, cuz everyone seemed to love the idea of getting out pitchforks and driving Sinatraa out of T1 over things that the girl admitted were lies.
You’re living in your own fantasy world
Sinatraa had defenders and haters, so does florescent. Dont pretend like Sinatraa was just unanimously driven out of the community lol.
Maybe in the real world yeah, on VLR absolutely not.
Literally had a thread blow up to over 200 replies because I said that Sinatraa should be given a chance to work through things with lawyers and then make his defense when they say it's a good time to.
To make it all better there was maybe 2 or 3 people in that thread that agreed with me, and all my replies to people were getting like -100+ downvotes.
U registered in 2024, so unless this is an alt its very funny for someone who didn't even see it first hand to be so ignorant.
sinatraa wasnt driven out by the community it was literally riot´s decision, he is already cleared if he doesnt comeback its on him, he has said that he doesnt want to
He was driven out of the community, furthermore he's actually not cleared, a year and a half ago a Riot insider came out and proved that 4 teams were looking to get him, 2 from Apac, and 2 from NA, and Riot pended the decision and then just never answered so they could be sure that teams would be scared of picking him up.
Furthermore, teams are scared of picking him up because of this big media push Riot did before the investigation even went underway.
Is it not a bit suspicious to you that they dont even name florescent when she's accused of rape by multiple people, but they name SInatraa instantly, suspend him indefinitely, and get the police involved? No... that's not weird at all, I'm sure there's a good explanation.
was def one of the better responses ive seen but we will see whatever riot does
tbh only reason this is so big is bc it's florescent
didn't mazino get accused of some crazy shit like domestic ab*se or something so he got benched but then brought back?
he was never benched and the girl got exposed the very same day for being a blatant liar
not even blatant liar, she literally has a mental condition that makes her a impulsive liar towards everyone around her no matter if its family members friends or couples.
funny this was the same case with kamo but people refused to forgive him
riot also had their own scandal going on at the time that meant they felt the need to jump on banning sinatraa to show they were doing shit about it. It was just unfortunate timing.
All of them are weird that's confirmed none of them better than other. But the main point of SA allegation still there, no? They just tell difference story and neither of them we can trust.
i think that the SA allegations are there, but with no evidence, we have to rely on credibility, and it looks like brick's credibility has crumbled
LOL from how they talk to each other. You shouldn't give any of them credit anyway. They have mental issue They both are getting rehab. They were very close friend and just throw mud to each other. I don't think we can count on them that much.
Let say, A did SA and make sure to not leave any evidence, A can defend him/herself, then A win. But it doesn't mean SA didn't happen. We must not fall from logical fallacy
Especially for this case they are in relationship and having sx on regular basis. We never know which one Consent which one not. It's so hard to get evidence from this. And we should keep that in mind. Most case if they can't find evidence case is close and make it look like Criminal won. Even circumstantial evidence, eyewitnesses point other way.
if we count the rest of 2025 season as a year, then yeah i think that's a good thing. she was gonna quit for a bit anyways so hopefully she comes back better
mmm i'll try, but i highly recommend reading the doc
she went one by one and addressed every allegation made towards her person and countered it by providing more evidence
basically brick is fucking crazy, going and spamming her phone with death threats, doxxing her, and overall a very shitty human being. there's no way to prove sa, but she was able to destroy the credibility of brick
oh my god it's not even offseason and we are yapping about sexual life of deeply troubled 13-year-old kids
Yeah so i think based on current circumstances that SA never happened (untill proven otherwise, sorry brick and karie but u deactivating ur twitter drop ur credibility). However flor still a weird human being which her brain filled with sexual stuff and intentions, sarah and ex SR statement about her being weird say it all, also the manipulative stuff....
yeah flor def needs help, and it looks like she's trying to, but i don't think so much of this shit should have gotten aired out the way it did ngl
Let’s just not come to conclusion giving clearance to one because of bias
Both are shitters but i wouldn’t completely ignore the allegations because the victim in questions has mental issues. In all honesty it’s a shitshow that I do not want to look at another word vomit again
well i wasn't discrediting brick just bc she had mental issues, but im just saying like flor gave a much stronger argument for me to believe her. im not a diehard flor fan so its not like i was looking for a reason to back flor yk
I dont think she can ever come back from those alligations, a lot would need to happen
being weird =/= being a rpist
You may be surprised to hear being a bit of a freak is easier to come back from
"being weird" is the worst accusation I've ever seen. Injunction to normality is stupid.
If you want someone out, then put how a weirdness is problematic and then you are good
I read every page of them and still don't understand why you think flor's response can make anything better it's just teenager cherry picking and throw mud to each other neither of them we can trust. except you have a huge bias on this.
So did this brick girl report the SA to the police or no?.....cuz if she didn't then it's just twitter banter and fake allegations
no and she's supposedly accused ka_rie of similar stuff in private... but didn't publicize that one. Wonder why not.
I understand getting charges to stick on this is hard but
really looking like boy that cried wolf territory unfortunately
Until sinatraa name is fully cleared and people let him back on teams that’s when I will forgive flor but there is no point that she get special treatment for this. I do hope she can’t play the game for some time
Fcking Shit stop discussing Flor on VLR. Its fcking irritating to see thread flor this flor that.
Talking about some SA is not val eSports. Discussing Same bullshit over and over about the things you even don't know.
Its a hard topic but since flor is part of this commuity ppl will want to talk abt it,if u dont like that just dont click the threads
VLR exists to discuss Valorant stats, rankings, and gameplay—not personal drama or people’s behavior. If you can’t separate that, maybe this isn’t the place for you. Same bullshit over and over.
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