They have only half the time to prepare, and look like the weakest region out of all 4. Maybe heretics can make a deep run but should we expect anything out of Emea?
What map are they good at?
Will heretics be good at Toronto?
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Th is a fundamentally good team but they aren't winning anything cuz they are bigger chokers than prx
I expect them to at least win if they make it, but can we trust them to make top 3. Or are their winning days open and championship window closed?
Those frauds already ran out of luck. Back to back flukes to the grand finals, Not happening again.
Yeah I guess you could say it’s luck, quit unfortunate they couldn’t get it done when they had the chance.
emea is the least reliant on tejo (51% pick rate as opposed to the other three regions)
th in kickoff and stage 1 are NOT the same team
their worst(?) map fracture is rotating out for sunset which is historically their best map
Well sunset has changes and the Meta has shifted to even more post plant. Are we sure heretics could win without using Tejo?
Just because you were good at a nap one year didn’t mean you always will. Sen were the best split team itw last year and they got 1-13 on their first game on it.
probably will be, theyre a resilient team.
would they win? they have to get through the hurdle of winning ANY grand finals first.
if they win EMEA, id give them a chance
“Winning” it’s Heretics we’re talking about, I think we have to remove the idea of them winning anything from the conversation.
i mean thats what im saying, they havent shown theyre capable of actually winning trophies.
if they win EMEA, ill have more faith, because it means they broke that ceiling
Well I hope they can win, they finally don’t have Leo in the way stopping them. If they don’t win emea I’m afraid this team won’t ever win anything.
they are looking good but idk if they are able to win international trophy w/ the current meta but they would still get like top 3 prob
I think we need to remove the idea of the winning and throw it out the window. I’m just wondering if we can expect maybe a top 4 finish. I don’t think the current Meta fits them that well and they might be diffed.
i think top 4 is expected i wouldnt be surprised if they get to grandfinals tbh but the meta is gonna screw them fs
Even if they aren’t the weakest they 3rd and the only contending team coming to Toronto would be heretics. And we all know they aren’t winning.
In what way is America's better for example?
You really think SEN would be better than FNC or TL? lol
At least try to be objective.
Sen,g2 and mibr clear fnatic snd liquid. Heretics beats Sen and Mibr and g2 clears heretics. Americas might be the best region going to Toronto depending on if drx or prx make Toronto.
Even if you think Sen and Mibr lose, does G2 not make up for it? They are the favorites to win the entire tournament.
you are just biased towards americas and you dont even realize it, its always like this, even teams like mibr who have only 2 top tier players and looking shit vs g2 and sentinels who lost to a worse Liquid with KAMYK are contenders but EMEA we are all shite, it has been like this since we stopped winning, are you gonna pretend the region is shit forever until reality hits you and we start winning again?
Sentinels shit the bed at Bangkok and should’ve 2-0 but choked abyss and the nats masterclass, if I’m biased towards Na your biased to Emea. G2 just came back from a final are the favorites to win everything. Mibr has the best player of all time they will at least win a game. And the liquid at Bangkok are better than the liquid now.
First off serial isn’t nearly as good as kamyk. And the team had a easy group so using group stage to say they are better is just false.
Any of the americas teams going can win the tournament unlike EMEA, and yes SEN currently look better than FNC or TL.
They’d have to skip group stages by getting first seed to have a decent chance. EMEA has a prep deficit because they’re behind schedule by two weeks and the other regions will have acclimated to the new patch by then with fresher ideas.
Also, Individual form from the group stages of a Split aren’t a good indicator for performance in a high pressure, fast paced international (7 weeks vs 2 weeks). TH have never closed out a trophy either and there’s likely a mental block to work through.
I don’t think they will ever win a trophy, I’m just speculating if they could make another deep run. Is it likely or is emea being fucked over too much for them to make it happen.
“Bait” and it’s just a genuine question, please tell me in my replies where I’m baiting. Or just stay ignorant and assume everything you disagree with is bait.
Why are we nitpicking kickoff maps?
Did your dumbass dint watch stage1?
Weak ass bait?
I watched stage 1 and this team doesn’t look like a team that can win a masters im sorry. I can’t link every individual bad play you guys made because I’m not an analyst.
nah not with woot on initiator idc if he hates playing duelist he is better at duelist than miniboo and with woot on duelist they couldve won a tournament just like they almost did in shanghai with him on duelist
wait and see i guess, last time he was in good form in emea he had no issue doing it at the international lmao, kickoff miniboo last year was the only time hes looked this good and he then went on to be a top 5 rated player at madrid
guess we will see, i always felt tho that woot was better at duelist than him but thats just me
his shanghai performance was nothing to do with him on duelist cause immediately after going back to emea he went +28 playing only initiator and that same stage(stage 2 emea) he played duelist multiple times and never had a performance like shanghai again, then he had a fairly poor champs, woots form is unrelated to him being on duelist, he just had an incredible tournament and happened to be on duelist while doing it.
TH already look like they have a read on the meta not using tejo, which might help them, leaning into the double duelist stuff with woot miniboo feels like a solid read on the meta going into toronto and they already look very comfortable with it, on top of that they only use tejo on 3 maps rn, their icebox which they can swap back to the gecko easily, lotus which might require actual rework and fracture which they havent played since kickoff and is getting removed, so they need to change their lotus and then go back to their champs comp on icebox, and they lose their worst map in exchange for historically their best map, they have less time but also compared to a team like G2 have less to change.
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