Replay the series

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4so4so4so

100T got scammed by Vyse Ult BUg. Send them to masters toronto and honorary 4th seed

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hear me out
EMEA is unable to finish their league because of the tech problems so 100t has to fill for them

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DRX, T1, PRX, BOOM, NONGSHIM, would all shit on 100T, BUT I do agree we need 4 teams from every region making it.
#CHANGETHEFORMAT

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prx he said

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except for that everything is valid

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clip? i didnt watch

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mangotan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVDZdvegkU&ab_channel=SliggyVODS

go to 44:22

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Wow that's horseshit. It should be so easy to code that properly.

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same shit with the kj ult btw

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gluesniffer

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wait what?

in the same series? when? holy shit bro

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oh no not in the same series, i’m just saying that there’s a similar visual bug with the KJ ult radius that still hasn’t been patched

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gluesniffer

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ah thank god

riot.

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Cheasle2

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kJ ult, breach aftershock, omen blind, neon stun.

the indicators are all wack

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mangotan

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same bug with kj ult, it's been in there a while, which makes me think that it could be on the bug list?

either way: very nebulous how riot defines a "game-breaking" bug, because im sure you could make SEVERAL arguments for why this would be game breaking, in:
1) eeiu getting the kill and 100T being man up now in a post-plant
2) valyn not getting ult which helped secure the round
3) momentum after losing a couple rounds and how this could've been tilting for eeiu/100T and motivating for G2

bizarro

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game breaking is so loosely defined too:

"A 'Game Breaking Bug' is defined as a bug whose occurrence undermines the competitive integrity of a round as a whole, and causes the outcome of the round to become undeterminable. Any bugs that fall within this category will be explicitly listed in the Esports Bug List shared with each patch."

There's no way this Vyse ult indicator which LITERALLY MAKES EEIU UNABLE TO SHOOT doesn't undermine the competitive integrity of the round as a whole

the only thing that lies between 100T and EG is if the bug is in the Esports Bug List...

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im sorry but even if the indicator really wasnt there and there was a bug eeiu could see on the floor he was pretty clearly on the ult area or at least in a very small gap where he could get into the ult in the smallest movement

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He didnt move though, hes tucked in the corner with no indicator. watch it

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foythvlr

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the thing is that right before the camera cuts to roof view of leaf ulting when we briefly see the ult being activated on eeiu's pov there was an indicator. so he knew he was on a dangerous area anyway

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4so4so4so

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he knew he was in the ult, then he knew he wasnt in the ult and didnt move from there. ???

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mangotan

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surely this is insufficient justification, no? there was an indicator --> he responds by moving --> the place he moves to no longer has indicator --> he assumes he is safe + he can see visually the barrier of the ult (purple hue) that shows him outside of it

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Yeah, as far as i'm aware they didn't report it and thats the end of the story so

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mangotan

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yea and i was confused when watching back the vod that no timeout was called, but again, we have precedent from riot that shit like this doesn't have to be challenged from coaches, riot can also decide that this is gamebreaking (ie: FPX/XSET game). based on factors i wrote in a previous message, would this not be categorized as gamebreaking? sadge

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4so4so4so

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I don't know if i'd categorize it as gamebreaking but i guess its subjective

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gluesniffer

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"A 'Game Breaking Bug' is defined as a bug whose occurrence undermines the competitive integrity of a round as a whole, and causes the outcome of the round to become undeterminable. Any bugs that fall within this category will be explicitly listed in the Esports Bug List shared with each patch."

As long as it's in Esports Bug List and it for sure changes outcome of round, it's "Game Breaking"

eeiu can't shoot back / positions himself in a free kill spot, it'd definitely change the outcome of the round if bug wasn't a thing (he would not have positioned himself there)

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mangotan

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exactly --> hence why discussion like this is important, glad you opened the thread

i want to cope but i think this won't be rolled back. principally, you roll it back the moment it happens, but unlike FPX/XSET when it was only the last round, this game, there were several rounds after, that you just cant describe as "won by G2 because of that one round where eeiu one player got hit by a vyse bug"

what i will say though, is that 100t deserves some sort of like... compensation? or something, from riot. because the onus is not on coaches to always call these challenges, as we saw from FPX/XSET. the expectation is that if there is a major bug where a person just gets misinfo (ie: the turret thing, here eeiu gets incorrect info as the game tells him he's safe from the ult hitting him), riot devs also step in to call it. the fact that they didnt is a bit problematic lol like they just gotta have stricter protocols

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foythvlr

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this is 100% gamebreaking it might have changed the entire tournament being fair

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foythvlr

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im looking at it again and again and the indicator actually disappears right when he moved ur right
the only possible explanation is either a "hitbox" bug or he made a very small move which is just unlikely

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mangotan

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no he didnt move at all, it is a hitbox bug entirely - hence why this discussion lol

like dont get me wrong 100t choked fs, the rounds after are just a mess, but this could've definitely contributed if they turned it around which would've been likely given he kills valyn and valyn doesnt have ult and they're man up in a post-plant + JAW has awp while trying to retake

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foythvlr

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im trying to see if theres any move even on his crosshair before the ult (maybe gun placement could fuck him? lol) but not even that lol he just got randomly ulted thats so unlucky because that round would be entirely different and would change the game

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mangotan

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I think so, but I again read #31 - I think it's hard to say that it would have a DRASTIC effect, hence why I think Riot will be bums and not replay it

because i agree 100% that it would change the round outcome, but because there were so many rounds after, i think riot will be like "it's impossible to say one round would've caused this"

so, unlikely it gets replayed, but it damn well should. and it should've happened the MOMENT the bug occured to avoid all of this principle/practical bullshit

anyways, gg G2 they played well and it'll be nice to see this team win (hopefully) in toronto. guard core will always be near and dear

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no but i think we're just not watching the same POV - if u look at his POV, it literally shows the edge of the ult (like the visible purple barrier) in front of him, plus there's no indicator.

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indicator missing = bug that gives eeiu false information. high tension scenario you're looking for obvious signs, not looking at the floor

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foythvlr

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it was quite literally 50% of the screen

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gluesniffer

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shameless promotion of my own thread bc I spent too much time actually reading rulebook when I should be sleeping https://www.vlr.gg/481037/vyse-ult-bug-100t-g2-vs-xset-fpx-rulebook-app

tl;dr, they can only replay if a very specific set of conditions is met :(

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Don't ask for it bro, it would be G2 2-0 stomp

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should have complained after the round not after the lost game lol

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iplayval

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I can't believe eeiu didn't call for a tech pause after that, but honestly I didn't catch its importance the first time either. He was definitely clear of the ult and even if a small piece of his leg was in it, the indicator should have shown up. It feels like such a bitter win for G2 since they likely don't win that round and 100T hit match point. I don't think anything can be done now and it must feel awful for both teams. It was a fantastic game too, shame the results are invalidated by this bug