phoenix buff idea

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zombsJr

flashes should be like 10 or 15% quicker
molly should do more damage & last longer instead of healing, but not damage phoenix
wall should last long enough to fully heal from it
ult could be 1 orb cheaper, but that might be OP

thoughts?

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Option for cancelling ult would be perfect. So fucking tired of dying to flank because team is dumb

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agreed

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this plz

#6

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pheonix ez s tier no cap i agree

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Make his flashes throwable like KAY/O

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that would be too different, might as well scratch the whole character and rebuild at that point

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I guess his curving flashes are a big part of his identity but his flashes are the least versatile due to how limited its range is. His flashes could be faster but unlike other flash agents his flashes won't be able to set-up set plays as effectively due to its limited movement. A faster flash would be good for individual plays though but that's it.

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yeah atm it's just too easy to dodge imo

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too op brother

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maybe flashes could give info if enemies are blinded like skye's?

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Might aswell give him some smokes and trips while you're at it. please tell me this is a joke

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yes it's a joke

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5 ult orb is kinda ridiculous, at this point it's almost a regular ability. But I get your point, because it's the only part of his kit that fits the duelist role.

imo what phoenix lacks as a duelist is the ability to take space through mobility.
Jett does it with dash and updraft
Raze does it with satchels
Neon has her sprinting, Reyna has her dismiss and Yoru his TP, despite those three not doing it as successfully as Jett and Raze.

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gaining space is what his wall is for, but it lasts way to short and enemies don't get punished enough for just peaking through it

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yup, but that's why I said duelist should gain space through mobility imo. controllers also gain space, but through smokes, and phoenix's wall is more like a smoke/weak viper wall.
I just had an idea, what if the path of his wall curved according to his movement? (but with some delay so he couldn't just be sprayed through). He could carve his way into a sight making a maze of fire. Maybe that would be too stupid, but maybe it could work.

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cancelling ult would be great but i think he needs an entire rework cause no matter how much you want to buff him hes still weaker than kayo/skye

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Reset all used abilities after ult.
Too much?

#16

zombsJr

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yeah 4 flashes, 2 mollies, and 2 walls in 1 round would be too much imo

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fast flashes would be too op.

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Phoenix buff idea
He can overheal 25hp with molly but it's 3/4 the durarion of reyna's overheal

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This made me remember when you could over heal with reyna and it was too op Riot quickly changed it so I doubt this will be done to Phoenix

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burritx

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What? You can still overheal with reyna my guy that's the whole basis of her kit 💀

#28

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No when you had full shield and health

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burritx

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What patch was this? I can't find it nor find anything on it ever happening

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I don’t remember exactly but it was very removed quickly if I remember correctly this was nearly 2 years ago now

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When you press ult, you go back to full health.

#22

burritx

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You already go back to full health after ult :batchest:

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HariC

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that's after the ult, I mean when you ult.

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burritx

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Yeah but you get full health when coming back from the ult, just entry twice :)

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Molly: his molly should land faster and farther. I think that the damage/heal is ok.
Flash: That curve that his flash does should be faster. Personally from all flashes, Phoenix's is the easier to dodge (considering skye, breach, kayo, yoru, etc)
Wall: If you need the wall to heal yourself, why it blocks your vision? You need to be blind to heal yourself?
Ult: cancelling the ult should be enough, i think that his ult is ok

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Show the flash course before throwing it
Molly lasts longer
Make the wall reduce damage from bullets (creating a kind of thinness like the corner of regular walls)
Ult can be cancelled when he wants
Add burning debuff on his molly and wall

Thank me later, Rito

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gweees

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The wall should also punish enemies way harder for walking through it

#33

WhitBR

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Viper only got in the meta when they buff her wall, so it could be a solution.

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burritx

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Because she is a controller?
Please tell me this is a joke

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WhitBR

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No? because all the wall skills in the game are so thin that you got almost none punishment for pass trought it?
And Neon gameplay it's based on, OMG, dash trought thin walls!

I just give an example, why are ou so mad?

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burritx

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You should get punished when you go through a wall that debuffs you, not one that is literally only meant to block LoS and take off some hp slowly

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they can't make any significant changes to him without compromising his identity as a duelist, all they can do is a couple of quality of life changes (cancel ult option), other than that he would need a yoru level rework

#38

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pheonix dont neet buff he's so annoying with flash

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For ult-
Ult can be cancelled, stimmed, and time of ult resets after every kill (for every other duelist, their ult resets if they kill, then Phoenix shouldn't be exception).
+1 orb, cause this ult.seems op (although reyna ult is 6 orb too).

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Doesn't lose his armor if his ult clone dies. Always thought this was dumb.

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Make his ult invencible to cypher traps, chamber etc

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vollizie

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That could be a nerf tbh. Rather have the clone clear those traps so the team doesn't hit them instead.

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1) make flash such that its harder to dodge
2) maybe flamethrower (like chamber's sheriff ) instead of molly
3) 2 walls maybe
4) 5 point ult

#45

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I think he needs rework to add somothing special
he has nothing original but his ult

#46

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i need a phoenix buff asap so i can see nv foods phoenix back in action