- flashes should be like 10 or 15% quicker
- molly should do more damage & last longer instead of healing, but not damage phoenix
- wall should last long enough to fully heal from it
- ult could be 1 orb cheaper, but that might be OP
thoughts?
Bo0mShell [#2]Option for cancelling ult would be perfect. So fucking tired of dying to flank because team is dumb
agreed
Bo0mShell [#2]Option for cancelling ult would be perfect. So fucking tired of dying to flank because team is dumb
this plz
Bo0mShell [#2]Option for cancelling ult would be perfect. So fucking tired of dying to flank because team is dumb
pheonix ez s tier no cap i agree
zaiko [#3]Make his flashes throwable like KAY/O
that would be too different, might as well scratch the whole character and rebuild at that point
5 ult orb is kinda ridiculous, at this point it's almost a regular ability. But I get your point, because it's the only part of his kit that fits the duelist role.
imo what phoenix lacks as a duelist is the ability to take space through mobility.
Jett does it with dash and updraft
Raze does it with satchels
Neon has her sprinting, Reyna has her dismiss and Yoru his TP, despite those three not doing it as successfully as Jett and Raze.
zombsJr [#9]that would be too different, might as well scratch the whole character and rebuild at that point
I guess his curving flashes are a big part of his identity but his flashes are the least versatile due to how limited its range is. His flashes could be faster but unlike other flash agents his flashes won't be able to set-up set plays as effectively due to its limited movement. A faster flash would be good for individual plays though but that's it.
zaiko [#11]I guess his curving flashes are a big part of his identity but his flashes are the least versatile due to how limited its range is. His flashes could be faster but unlike other flash agents his flashes won't be able to set-up set plays as effectively due to its limited movement. A faster flash would be good for individual plays though but that's it.
yeah atm it's just too easy to dodge imo
kzeriar [#10]5 ult orb is kinda ridiculous, at this point it's almost a regular ability. But I get your point, because it's the only part of his kit that fits the duelist role.
imo what phoenix lacks as a duelist is the ability to take space through mobility.
Jett does it with dash and updraft
Raze does it with satchels
Neon has her sprinting, Reyna has her dismiss and Yoru his TP, despite those three not doing it as successfully as Jett and Raze.
gaining space is what his wall is for, but it lasts way to short and enemies don't get punished enough for just peaking through it
Marshal_D_Teach [#15]Reset all used abilities after ult.
Too much?
yeah 4 flashes, 2 mollies, and 2 walls in 1 round would be too much imo
zombsJr [#13]gaining space is what his wall is for, but it lasts way to short and enemies don't get punished enough for just peaking through it
yup, but that's why I said duelist should gain space through mobility imo. controllers also gain space, but through smokes, and phoenix's wall is more like a smoke/weak viper wall.
I just had an idea, what if the path of his wall curved according to his movement? (but with some delay so he couldn't just be sprayed through). He could carve his way into a sight making a maze of fire. Maybe that would be too stupid, but maybe it could work.
RickyIndian [#8]maybe flashes could give info if enemies are blinded like skye's?
Might aswell give him some smokes and trips while you're at it. please tell me this is a joke
HariC [#21]When you press ult, you go back to full health.
You already go back to full health after ult :batchest:
burritx [#22]You already go back to full health after ult :batchest:
that's after the ult, I mean when you ult.
Molly: his molly should land faster and farther. I think that the damage/heal is ok.
Flash: That curve that his flash does should be faster. Personally from all flashes, Phoenix's is the easier to dodge (considering skye, breach, kayo, yoru, etc)
Wall: If you need the wall to heal yourself, why it blocks your vision? You need to be blind to heal yourself?
Ult: cancelling the ult should be enough, i think that his ult is ok
burritx [#20]Phoenix buff idea
He can overheal 25hp with molly but it's 3/4 the durarion of reyna's overheal
This made me remember when you could over heal with reyna and it was too op Riot quickly changed it so I doubt this will be done to Phoenix
HariC [#23]that's after the ult, I mean when you ult.
Yeah but you get full health when coming back from the ult, just entry twice :)
BBL_Wtcn [#25]This made me remember when you could over heal with reyna and it was too op Riot quickly changed it so I doubt this will be done to Phoenix
What? You can still overheal with reyna my guy that's the whole basis of her kit π
burritx [#27]What? You can still overheal with reyna my guy that's the whole basis of her kit π
No when you had full shield and health
BBL_Wtcn [#28]No when you had full shield and health
What patch was this? I can't find it nor find anything on it ever happening
burritx [#29]What patch was this? I can't find it nor find anything on it ever happening
I donβt remember exactly but it was very removed quickly if I remember correctly this was nearly 2 years ago now
gweees [#32]The wall should also punish enemies way harder for walking through it
Viper only got in the meta when they buff her wall, so it could be a solution.
WhitBR [#33]Viper only got in the meta when they buff her wall, so it could be a solution.
Because she is a controller?
Please tell me this is a joke
burritx [#34]Because she is a controller?
Please tell me this is a joke
No? because all the wall skills in the game are so thin that you got almost none punishment for pass trought it?
And Neon gameplay it's based on, OMG, dash trought thin walls!
I just give an example, why are ou so mad?
WhitBR [#35]No? because all the wall skills in the game are so thin that you got almost none punishment for pass trought it?
And Neon gameplay it's based on, OMG, dash trought thin walls!I just give an example, why are ou so mad?
You should get punished when you go through a wall that debuffs you, not one that is literally only meant to block LoS and take off some hp slowly
Hasbulla [#19]Might aswell give him some smokes and trips while you're at it. please tell me this is a joke
yes it's a joke
andrewdamf [#42]Make his ult invencible to cypher traps, chamber etc
That could be a nerf tbh. Rather have the clone clear those traps so the team doesn't hit them instead.