Region debate is over btw

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Americas has 4 Champs trophies, EMEA has 1 (from dinosaur era), China has 1, Pacific has 0

It will take bare minimum 3 years for EMEA to catch up, likely 5+ years. For Pacific it will take bare minimum 4 years, and CN is hopeless

Americas will objectively be the best region for the next 3-5 years at least

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@sentinelmain6769 is this true?

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askrial
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so masters don't exist, cool.
(americas still technically the best, but probably not 3-5 years)

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Champs is the biggest achievement in VCT, its what the players themselves value the most, and it has the most teams attending + the 1st seeds dont get to skip group stage, making it the most competitive tourney

Also Americas has the most overall trophies including Masters lmao

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not really because fns said it best. the only difference between champs and masters is the name and prize pool

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More teams, more viewers, more hype, bigger prize pool, storylines accumulating throughout the year, sorry but FNS is wrong

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but none of everything you just said has anything to do champs being the same skill level as masters. More teams does not mean better tournament. They are both just as difficult as each other to win

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The World Cup doesn't show the highest level of football yet it's what everybody wants to win it more than anything else

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Thats because of national pride. Also its international rather than a tournament like the euros

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not only that, but the fact its every 4 years instead of seasonal, the same as champs, people want to win champs because there are two masters but only one champs, also if champs was rebranded to masters 3 it wouldnt do half as good do u see the point? the name makes the tournament it is the peak of valorant indeed

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ok so confederations cup = world cup

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More teams: Just that 3rd team that shouldn't have qualified if it was masters
More viewers: Champs announcement; agents and etc + performers
More hype: More fans because that 3rd team that shouldn't have qualified if it was masters is there
Bigger prize pool: Because of my the 3 reasons above this

"FNS is wrong" says someone who has never competed in Masters and Champs.

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I quite literally just listed reasons

-more teams meaning everyone has to play more matches
-1st seeds dont get a pass into playoffs
-its at the end of the year, meaning most teams have had significantly more time together than for masters (especially masters 1)

And the fact that literally every player says they care about Champs way more than Masters. So yes, Champs is a bigger achievement than masters

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that isn't true, plenty of players don't place a huge amount more onto champs than masters

https://x.com/ohnePixelUpdate/status/2111381530417451187

"for me the only difference is the name" - Benjyfishy

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eszett
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holy copium

#31
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fns has lost his fucking mind if he genuinely thinks that

#47
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He says that cuz all he got is a humble masters win.

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the players themselves said they would rather win 1 champs than 3 masters bruh

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TH, why did you lose on Abyss attack side, at least we could be a little bit closer to Americas😭

#7
J7N
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Aura goat KangKang wouldn't be denied

#6
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It has been over for a while now

#8
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why do you always combine na and latam whenever it suits you and seperate them whenever it doesnt suit you ?

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J7N
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I dont remember ever doing that, where have you seen me do that?

Also regions are based on who plays together in regional leagues, NA and LATAM teams all lived in LA, scrimmed against each other, and played against each other to qualify for Champs. Thats what it means to be a "region". Next year it will be different, LATAM and NA teams will not be living together, and they will have their own separate qualifiers.

Currently, NA and LATAM do not have separate qualifiers, they all live in LA, and they all play against each other to qualify, meaning they are one region

(but starting next year, it will be 100% valid to call them separate regions)

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even in latam we don't consider brazil a part of us for the only reason they have a separate server and only LAS have good talent
LAN is non existent for us

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It doesn't matter what you "consider"

In tier 1 Valorant, the LATAM teams, BR teams, and NA teams all live in the same city, all compete in the same qualifier for Masters/Champs, and all scrim against each other for practice. Thats what it means to be a region.

So yes, all of Americas is 1 region (until next year, then everything changes)

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Isn’t it still the same region, only the sub region divide is more emphasized with seperate qualifiers into the same regional cup? As far as I’m concerned the different sub regions are still fighting for the same number of spots to represent Americas. We don’t have this strong of a stigma in the other regions.

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Next year, the sub region separation during the pre-cup stage + teams not living together (meaning far less scrimming each other) is enough to separate LATAM and NA.

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americas literally consists of them all why they be seperated

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probably because valorant combines them but who knows

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i love how NA rats trying to sneak in brazilian team into, riot somehow gather SA and NA, but let the worst region in all shooters get its own league (china), thats why LEV didnt make it, thats why 4 chinese teams won 2 maps, congrats riot, let choose money in your tournaments over quality

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Western league still getting multiple slots to worlds
Look at them in worlds now oh Americas teams absolute dogshit and going 0-2

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johnjohn2312
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they play in the same region, why do u want them to do? lmao

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The NA LATAM and SA teams all share the same 3/4 slots; why wouldn’t they? Do APAC fans consider South Korean trophies seperate from rest of APAC and no one else can claim those under the APAC name?

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lev didn't make it because they were stupid mid in stage 2

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as if 100t had a single ounce of help into americas achievements. Just taking credit from teams like Lev loud and TL

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Crazy LEV sneak

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J7N
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Where the actual fuck did I mention 100T in my post

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life is a gimmick. I just despise 100t flairs

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i get that ur excited but apac is still miles ahead of americas and any pro would agree with me, i'll let u have your moment of delusion tho

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xArbiter
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in what way? the last three out of four trophies have gone to americas, the consensus best players in the world are from americas, americas has the most trophies overall, pacific isn't even 2nd in total trophies since they still trail emea, and zero pacific teams made top 4 at the most recent event

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true
emea>apac tho

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This champs was the only event where EMEA out performed APAC overall

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its been over for ages

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Americas is clearly ahead but this isolation of champs is retarded

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i mean americas stlll has the most total trophies

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exactly, focus on that instead of just deleting 2/3 of the years trophies

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do we even have to do that? Emea hadnt won in like 3+ years
oh wait nvm my bad

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riot has 3 international tournaments in a year for a reason. cant just ignore them

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Th3Bad
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its emea vs na nobody cares about braz0l

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CN’s hopeless yet they still got one over APAC and EMEA

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