so fnatic had this guy benched sub in for leo and they just throw him like that when he is legit goated
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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
Derke and Chron were doing crazy numbers, and Alfajer was higher than Hiro, but they only got 5th-6th
https://www.vlr.gg/378834/sentinels-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
Hiro was ass
ppl keep forgetting that Chronicle is the GOAT for a reason
he was never meant to be a starting player, at that time leo’s status on the team was unknown and fnatic were clearly banking on him coming back so they let hiro go. obviously that did not happen and they instead got crashies as a replacement
sentinelmain377 [#2]https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
Derke and Chron were doing crazy numbers, and Alfajer was higher than Hiro, but they only got 5th-6th
https://www.vlr.gg/378834/sentinels-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
Hiro was ass
ppl keep forgetting that Chronicle is the GOAT for a reason
Dont look at bumicles stats vs statspass
catNmouse [#3]he was never meant to be a starting player, at that time leo’s status on the team was unknown and fnatic were clearly banking on him coming back so they let hiro go. obviously that did not happen and they instead got crashies as a replacement
yea but after chron left they should had got him
sentinelmain377 [#2]https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
Derke and Chron were doing crazy numbers, and Alfajer was higher than Hiro, but they only got 5th-6th
https://www.vlr.gg/378834/sentinels-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
Hiro was ass
ppl keep forgetting that Chronicle is the GOAT for a reason
the sen vs fnc game was banger
wizzamv [#5]yea but after chron left they should had got him
How the fuck were they going to get him from NAVI
wizzamv [#5]yea but after chron left they should had got him
he chose to stay with navi
teilwal [#4]Dont look at bumicles stats vs statspass
u do know that Chronicle has better stats all time at globals right (that too with an extra event)?
Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator) -> Sentinel
Global Events attended: 12/19 (M3 21, C 21, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, EWC 25, C 25, M2 26, EWC 26)
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 7
Top 4: 9
Top 8: 12
Global Ratings: Average = 1.13
Total Rounds: 3328
- 1.26 * (306 rounds)
- 1.19 * (356 rounds)
- 1.10 * (307 rounds)
- 1.19 * (210 rounds)
- 0.94 * (270 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.21 * (293 rounds)
- 1.13 * (419 rounds)
- 1.30 * (279 rounds)
- 1.07 * (453 rounds)
- 1.07 * (260 rounds)
- 0.90 * (175 rounds)
(1.26*306 + 1.19*356 + 1.10*307 + 1.19*210 + 0.94*270 + 1.21*293 + 1.13*419 + 1.30*279 + 1.07*453 + 1.07*260 + 0.90*175)/3328
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.13032151442 -> 1.13................................................................................................................................
Aspas:
Role: Duelist
Global Events attended: 11/19 (M1 22, M2 22, C 22, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, C 25, EWC 26)
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 3
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 8
Global Ratings: Average = 1.11
Total Rounds: 2721
- 1.18 (240 rounds)
- 1.04 (136 rounds)
- 0.99 (366 rounds)
- 1.11 (380 rounds)
- 1.11 (80 rounds)
- 1.15 (515 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.14 (407 rounds)
- 0.53 (71 rounds)
- 1.33 (330 rounds)
- 1.01 (196 rounds)
(1.18*240 + 1.04*136 + 0.99*366 + 1.11*380 + 1.11*80 + 1.15*515 + 1.14*407 + 0.53*71 + 1.33*330 + 1.01*196)/2721
Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.11293642043 -> 1.11sentinelmain377 [#11]u do know that Chronicle has better stats all time at globals right (that too with an extra event)?
Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator) -> Sentinel
Global Events attended: 12/19 (M3 21, C 21, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, EWC 25, C 25, M2 26, EWC 26)
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 7
Top 4: 9
Top 8: 12Global Ratings: Average = 1.13
Total Rounds: 3328 - 1.26 * (306 rounds) - 1.19 * (356 rounds) - 1.10 * (307 rounds) - 1.19 * (210 rounds) - 0.94 * (270 rounds) - N/A (China) - 1.21 * (293 rounds) - 1.13 * (419 rounds) - 1.30 * (279 rounds) - 1.07 * (453 rounds) - 1.07 * (260 rounds) - 0.90 * (175 rounds) (1.26*306 + 1.19*356 + 1.10*307 + 1.19*210 + 0.94*270 + 1.21*293 + 1.13*419 + 1.30*279 + 1.07*453 + 1.07*260 + 0.90*175)/3328 Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.13032151442 -> 1.13................................................................................................................................
Aspas:
Role: Duelist
Global Events attended: 11/19 (M1 22, M2 22, C 22, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, C 25, EWC 26)
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 3
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 8Global Ratings: Average = 1.11
Total Rounds: 2721 - 1.18 (240 rounds) - 1.04 (136 rounds) - 0.99 (366 rounds) - 1.11 (380 rounds) - 1.11 (80 rounds) - 1.15 (515 rounds) - N/A (China) - 1.14 (407 rounds) - 0.53 (71 rounds) - 1.33 (330 rounds) - 1.01 (196 rounds) (1.18*240 + 1.04*136 + 0.99*366 + 1.11*380 + 1.11*80 + 1.15*515 + 1.14*407 + 0.53*71 + 1.33*330 + 1.01*196)/2721 Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.11293642043 -> 1.11
what about games played on lan servers only
teilwal [#12]what about games played on lan servers only
chron is still better lol (I removed that specific calculation cuz EWC is a real tournament to anyone with more than 1 brain cell)
Chronicle without EWC: 1.12787404315 -> 1.13
(1.26*306 + 1.19*356 + 1.10*307 + 1.19*210 + 0.94*270 + 1.21*293 + 1.13*419 + 1.07*453 + 1.07*260)/(3328-279-175)Aspas without EWC: 1.12092673267 -> 1.12
(1.18*240 + 1.04*136 + 0.99*366 + 1.11*380 + 1.11*80 + 1.15*515 + 1.14*407 + 0.53*71 + 1.33*330)/(2721-196)sentinelmain377 [#14]chron is still better lol (I removed that specific calculation cuz EWC is a real tournament to anyone with more than 1 brain cell)
Chronicle without EWC: 1.12787404315 -> 1.13
(1.26*306 + 1.19*356 + 1.10*307 + 1.19*210 + 0.94*270 + 1.21*293 + 1.13*419 + 1.07*453 + 1.07*260)/(3328-279-175)Aspas without EWC: 1.12092673267 -> 1.12
(1.18*240 + 1.04*136 + 0.99*366 + 1.11*380 + 1.11*80 + 1.15*515 + 1.14*407 + 0.53*71 + 1.33*330)/(2721-196)
also without shanghai
wizzamv [#5]yea but after chron left they should had got him
Hiro is the highest paid player in EMEA im pretty sure that buyout was not happening
teilwal [#15]also without shanghai
there are no ratings for china so it's not included
but it wouldnt make much of a difference since both chron and aspas got eliminated early at the event (minimal rounds). There is a reason why I am doing weighted stats instead of just an average of all the stats. For example, the 0.53 from Aspas matters much less since he only played 71 rounds at Toronto 25 compared to like 1.33 rating with 330 rounds at Champs 25.
also let's say Chron does go under Aspas with no Shanghai and no EWC (removing both is pretty weird btw), the gap would be too small for a guy playing breach/sage versus the biggest baiter in the history of Val. Chronicle definitely clears (in both stats and placements)
sentinelmain377 [#17]there are no ratings for china so it's not included
but it wouldnt make much of a difference since both chron and aspas got eliminated early at the event (minimal rounds). There is a reason why I am doing weighted stats instead of just an average of all the stats. For example, the 0.53 from Aspas matters much less since he only played 71 rounds at Toronto 25 compared to like 1.33 rating with 330 rounds at Champs 25.
also let's say Chron does go under Aspas with no Shanghai and no EWC (removing both is pretty weird btw), the gap would be too small for a guy playing breach/sage versus the biggest baiter in the history of Val. Chronicle definitely clears (in both stats and placements)
Chron without top 10 all time players on his team is playing like kon4n if we are being honest
teilwal [#18]Chron without top 10 all time players on his team is playing like kon4n if we are being honest
aspas has 0 trophies without god-like players carrying him btw
Chronicle was carrying on Gambit and he's been great on FNATIC (5 global finals, good performances at multiple tournaments). Now he's also making top 4 with VIT (MIBR has 0 top 4s)
sentinelmain377 [#19]aspas has 0 trophies without god-like players carrying him btw
Chronicle was carrying on Gambit and he's been great on FNATIC (5 global finals, good performances at multiple tournaments). Now he's also making top 4 with VIT (MIBR has 0 top 4s)
aspas finals mvp but sure "carried" unlike chron with no official accolades
teilwal [#20]aspas finals mvp but sure "carried" unlike chron with no official accolades
he was the "Grand Finals MVP" (btw he had the worst rating on LOUD in both the GF and the whole tournament: https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf | don't know how tf he got mvp)
Chronicle was the "Grand Finals MVP" in Berlin 2021 (mvp of the event on liquipedia) AND he had equal rating to nAts at Berlin 2021 (wasn't the worst performer unlike LOUD Aspas Champs 22): https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
sentinelmain377 [#21]he was the "Grand Finals MVP" (btw he had the worst rating on LOUD in both the GF and the whole tournament: https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf | don't know how tf he got mvp)
Chronicle was the "Grand Finals MVP" in Berlin 2021 (mvp of the event on liquipedia) AND he had equal rating to nAts at Berlin 2021 (wasn't the worst performer unlike LOUD Aspas Champs 22): https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
any official source other than liquipedia? just because aspas was playing for the team therefore he had worse rating doesn't mean he wasnt the mvp
teilwal [#22]any official source other than liquipedia? just because aspas was playing for the team therefore he had worse rating doesn't mean he wasnt the mvp
Aspas didnt have like the second best or third best rating. He had the worst rating (both throughout the tournament and in the grand final).
how is Sacy not MVP for +19 and winning that insane 1v1 on the OT Ascent (way more impact than Aspas)???
Also we are drifting from the real conversation. Chronicle > Aspas.
sentinelmain377 [#23]Aspas didnt have like the second best or third best rating. He had the worst rating (both throughout the tournament and in the grand final).
how is Sacy not MVP for +19 and winning that insane 1v1 on the OT Ascent (way more impact than Aspas)???
Also we are drifting from the real conversation. Chronicle > Aspas.
1 play vs an entire tournament/final of mvp level plays, aspas was awarded mvp for a reason
teilwal [#25]1 play vs an entire tournament/final of mvp level plays, aspas was awarded mvp for a reason
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95131&tab=overview
+17 to win an OT map (very important in a grand final). How Sacy can be considered not the MVP is ridiculous
sentinelmain377 [#2]https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024
Derke and Chron were doing crazy numbers, and Alfajer was higher than Hiro, but they only got 5th-6th
https://www.vlr.gg/378834/sentinels-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr2
Hiro was ass
ppl keep forgetting that Chronicle is the GOAT for a reason
I thought you were retiring
sentinelmain377 [#26]https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95131&tab=overview
+17 to win an OT map (very important in a grand final). How Sacy can be considered not the MVP is ridiculous
he was even 12-3 vs Yay, but now show me anything offical (not liquipedia) that shows chronicle being mvp, or any accolade
Conceit [#27]I thought you were retiring
https://www.vlr.gg/712994/announcing-retirement
"coming back when EU wins 1 trophy"
clearly you can't read/have memory loss since Nbs just won a trophy for EU. Nbs is the GOAT Coach of Valorant now with a Champs + EWC (greater than Mini's Mickey//IN and Masters)
i think its kinda like the patmen thing where pat was really meant to be temporary because prx already has their eyes set on invy who is overall a better initiator?
teilwal [#28]he was even 12-3 vs Yay, but now show me anything offical (not liquipedia) that shows chronicle being mvp, or any accolade
You gotta be retarded or something because you aren't admitting that Aspas has a fraudulent MVP. To any elite ball knowers, we know both players don't have a MVP.
Chron has 4 mvp-level performances while being in the grand final: Berlin 2021, Champs 2021, Tokyo 2023, EWC 2025
just look at the stats in Berlin 2021: https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf
Aspas has 1 (maybe 2) mvp-level performances while being in the grand final: Reykjavik 2022, maybe LOCK//IN 2023 (even tho he had 0.99 rating and even Boaster had a higher rating🤣🤣🤣)
Anyways you are not able to provide any logical, stats-based argument for why Aspas should be considered better than Chronicle so it is clear that I have won this argument.
sentinelmain377 [#31]You gotta be retarded or something because you aren't admitting that Aspas has a fraudulent MVP. To any elite ball knowers, we know both players don't have a MVP.
Chron has 4 mvp-level performances while being in the grand final: Berlin 2021, Champs 2021, Tokyo 2023, EWC 2025
just look at the stats in Berlin 2021: https://www.vlr.gg/34979/envy-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-gf
Aspas has 1 (maybe 2) mvp-level performances while being in the grand final: Reykjavik 2022, maybe LOCK//IN 2023 (even tho he had 0.99 rating and even Boaster had a higher rating🤣🤣🤣)
Anyways you are not able to provide any logical, stats-based argument for why Aspas should be considered better than Chronicle so it is clear that I have won this argument.
“mvp level performances” and he wasnt even the best player on his team 😹😹😹 asspass got an official mvp chron has nothing
sentinelmain377 [#29]https://www.vlr.gg/712994/announcing-retirement
"coming back when EU wins 1 trophy"
clearly you can't read/have memory loss since Nbs just won a trophy for EU. Nbs is the GOAT Coach of Valorant now with a Champs + EWC (greater than Mini's Mickey//IN and Masters)
Lol you don't need this dumb excuse you can just come back if you can't stay away no one cares
Conceit [#27]I thought you were retiring
Lol you don't need this dumb reply
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