Goat of never winning a major?
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Because he’s a better player than Valyn and Trent, also consistent for way longer.
This is like saying EliGE > m0nesy all time bc he’s been in the scene for longer lmao
acting like ONE grand final appearance in the most broken meta of all time and choking is supposed to supercede consistency that dates back to 2021
Consistently placing badly or not even making events lol. Valyn and trent already have more top 4 placements than him. And they only have 1 less international qualification than Mako despite him being in the scene for longer. He genuinely has nothing over the two.
Oh and I forgot to add, if you remove lock in which everyone qualifies to by default, he doesn’t have more intl qualifications than the two
he has the fact he's been a much better player for a much longer period of time; he was the best controller in pacific and one of the best players in the world for SEVERAL years up until 2024 when GEN went on their run
mako has outplaced this G2 duo SEVERAL times and have even eliminated them from a competition, and he is still competitive in the scene while being 6 years into his career
you can have the G2 core as being the best core to never win an event, whatever. but as a singular player, mako is the uncrowned king and it is not close
Longevity doesn’t matter if another player accomplishes more in less time, especially when the thing that’s accomplished happens in a more competitive era
It absolutely does
The "thing" that G2 has "accomplished" means nothing because they haven't shown anywhere near that level since
Longevity might help his case if he got better over time, but him getting worse over time just indicates that he was an elite player farming plumbers and a decent player against real talents
Right, because G2 farming 2025 americas, the worst the region has ever been, is not them just farming plumbers
Their only actual achievement is getting to that final in an event they were expected to win and didn't, and since then they have never reached that level
Wait a bit. Niko career length is longer than val existence. Mako will win someday for sure but again major would be like champions so gonna be bit harder to win still.
Does mako have a moment where he choked? I wouldnt say so
Also these Niko comparisons always forget he only hasnt won a major ik it’s different with the density of tournys in CS but still
He choked pretty fucking hard against fnatic at champs, T1 at Bangkok, against NRG at Tokyo, against FPX in Cph, against ZETA in Reykjavik, and against C9 in Champs 21. And by choking I just mean he played below average in a game where his individual performance would have been the difference between a win or loss.
Thats not what i mean
Niko has the clip on Nuke where he missed a stand still deagle while winning only to choke
That typa thing
If you actually watch cs you would know that clip wasn’t the difference between a trophy or not. Niko was still down a map against a team largely favored to win against him lol
I do know,,,
Im just saying he hasnt choked against the equivalent of a chinese team in Val has he?
Also the deagle is more symbolic than actually significant it was 2021 s1mple what you gonna do
Korean teams are always going to be in the conversation for a trophy, either DRX find their moment or Mako switches to another team of Korean talent
more like Chronicle
has been to 2 Major finals, 1 against an underdog team (Acend/C9) and the other was against a great team at the time (NRG/NAVI), and choked both
Post: Never winning
Chron: The only player in the game with three international trophies.
Niko won a lot of international tournaments, just not the World Championship of the game, just like Chronicle
This is unironically the best comparison
Niko has won trophies but no one on here actually pays attention to CS
Didn’t win a major, and insinuating that a masters trophy isn’t equivalent to a major is just brain damage
When comparing CS and Val Champs has precedent over a Masters yes
More teams more prestige etc its closer to a major and if we are comparing the games either every CS tourny is like a masters/champs and thus a major (inherently dishonest) or we accept that champs is more important than a masters
We don’t have to accept that every CS tournament is like a masters/champs, nor do we have to accept that a champs > masters. We know this to be true because we don’t value Champs winners as any better than Masters winners
I do not have one
I believe the esport isnt old enough to be able to quantify one yet (bet you will love this) but i also do not have the american ring culture that has infested all of valorant i value trophies far lower than most
I don’t value ring culture either but regardless that’s fair enough (even tho I think the idea of waiting for a game to be older to identify a goat is ridiculous).
I still think the vast majority of players don’t agree with the notion that champs trophies are inherently more valuable than masters trophies . What I do know for certain is that in CS, people don’t determine the worth of trophies by the amount of teams (or the prize pool). I know this to be true because the last two majors (with 32 attending teams and a 1.25mil prize pool) are not considered by anyone to have more prestige than a major from 2019 (24 teams, 1 mil prize pool).
It truly is the best comparison
NiKo won several Tier S tournaments that would be like a Masters in Valorant. But he is not considered a World Champion because he never won the Major
Chronicle never won Champions and lost at 2 Champions Grand Finals
NiKo never won the Major and lost at 2 Major Grand Finals
Ok but Chronicle won a Masters lmao ur being intentionally dishonest by acting like that isn’t equivalent to a major
its not, even if you want it to be its just not. Every Esport has a 1 World Championship, this is more about prestige
Look at LOL for example. Faker has won 8 international tournaments in his career against the best teams in the world, 2 MSI's and 6 Worlds. He is not considered a 8x World Champion, he is a 6x World Champion because of the 6 Worlds
Riot in Valorant also treats Masters and Champions in the same way. Idk why you want it to be equivalent
Even Sacy, the only player that won both Masters and Champions already said that he would prefer to win 1 Champions over 5 Masters
CS literally has 2 majors a year lmfao what are you on about. Even in the past it had 3 majors a year. MSI and Worlds are not equivalent to Masters and Champs. Riot themselves have never treated them as equivalent, your only basis for calling them equivalent is simply that Riot produces both Valorant and League.
The biggest difference between the Valorant and League circuit model is that MSI didn’t exist for a long portion of League’s history while Masters was the first international event in Valorant. Masters Berlin and Champs 2021 even had the same exact format.
Champs may hold more weight in the sense that it’s more difficult to win, but it’s not equivalent to the drop off between a CS major and Kato/Cologne for example.
I’m going to be honest, your argument is likely heavily biased by the fact that you are Brazilian and an aspas fan, therefore a Chronicle hater
? The numbers of Majors a year doesnt matter, the entity of being THE "Major" is the prestige
And yes, Riot produces both Valorant and League, therefore have similar way of building their esport
In CS, there is not a drop off between Katowice, Cologne or Pro League compared to the Major, you could argue that Cologne is a better tournament overall or that Pro League was harder. Winning these tournaments still doesnt make you a World Champion. Again, its about prestige
Riot refers to the winners of Masters as just that: Masters Winners. Thats why the title you get for winning Masters London will be: "Masters London Winner"
But if you win Champions Shanghai, you become the "2026 VCT Champion", you win the whole year, similarly to LOL
Its not about hating on a player, thats just basic common knowledge about how every Esport works, idk why you just want Masters to be equivalent so bad
You also completely ignored what Sacy(the only player to win both) said about it
???
NiKo won several Tier S tournaments that would be like a Masters in Valorant. But he is not considered a World Champion because he never won the Major
Chronicle never won Champions and lost at 2 Champions Grand Finals
NiKo never won the Major and lost at 2 Major Grand Finals
did i say anything wrong? MaKo never won anything, NiKo won serveral S Tier international tournaments. The NiKo thing is about never winning the World Championship, the biggest trophy, do you guys even watch CS?
NiKo is not even a bad player all time, its not even hate, but i think their careers look the most similar if you want to find a NiKo comparison in Valorant
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